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Old 11-04-2010, 01:05 PM
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nice guys scares me hahaha
 
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Okay my opinion has changed on this car, I'm not gonna trust motor trend, car & driver & all these other test magazines, because I don't think they are testing them thoroughly enough. I've heard from Cr-z forum & driving sports getting 50mpg. doesn't really beat the first insight, but I can say that's pretty good enough for an extra cylinder. Now back to Bizimoto, I gotta thank him for swaying my thoughts away from a K20 swap =)
 
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondStarMonsters
The K20 would be nice for the torque, but it completely screws up the cars balance and is much heavier.

Even a 60+mm turbo in most cases weighs less than 30lbs, plus maybe 8-12lbs for the charge piping/couplers/sensors and like 12-15lbs for the biggest conceivable the IC core you could put on a Fit.

From what I gather the K-swap with trans is nearly 175lbs more than a given turbo L15A. Alot of that looks like it is pretty far forward over the front axle and towards the passenger side which completely changes the cars handling characteristic and weight distribution.

Important to note that at some point Bisimoto decided they needed to sleeve the block which is usually a bit expensive, but perhaps they can help in that regard. User "Randull" on FitFreak would probably be able to look into this for you, he is a Bisimoto Engineer apparently. I think he is currently at SEMA but we have exchanged PMs and he seems like a nice guy and very helpful.
I don't think K20 messes stuff up that much. J's wouldn't have done it if it ruined the car
 
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Old 11-20-2010, 08:44 PM
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I don't think K20 messes stuff up that much. J's wouldn't have done it if it ruined the car
You're right, that might not be entirely fair, but it will make the car push through corners a bit more than it currently does.

Though I suppose, that like j's racing, if you have the funding to do the k-swap you would probably have a plan for new suspension and chassis bracing to try and make it more neutral or even more power off oversteer.
 
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondStarMonsters
You're right, that might not be entirely fair, but it will make the car push through corners a bit more than it currently does.

Though I suppose, that like j's racing, if you have the funding to do the k-swap you would probably have a plan for new suspension and chassis bracing to try and make it more neutral or even more power off oversteer.
They did add A TON of bracing/chassis stiffness

but I agree on both points.
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:17 PM
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damn... did anybody notice that the seats are buddyclub's (P1)? always considered BC to be a kinda cheap brand (lol maybe i am a crazy cat after all) but i don't think he would've cheaped out on the car :D
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:07 PM
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i am curious at what hp level would the l15 need to get sleeved?
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cr4zy3lgato
damn... did anybody notice that the seats are buddyclub's (P1)? always considered BC to be a kinda cheap brand (lol maybe i am a crazy cat after all) but i don't think he would've cheaped out on the car :D
Buddy Club makes good stuff.....for cheap prices....
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:50 PM
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Also... the motor is COMPLETELY built. Dont expect anything close to those numbers without dropping close to 10k
 
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Old 11-23-2010, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMchris.com
Also... the motor is COMPLETELY built. Dont expect anything close to those numbers without dropping close to 10k
There also looks to be a lot left in the setup.. He is using a ~70lb/min turbo and only pushing about 55lbs/min. Though I am not exactly jealous of that power curve to be honest. The 64mm turbo looks like it spools around ~6k and then they let of before 8.5k:



Sounds about right... is that an estimate including labor, tax, shipping etc.?

From what I have found so far:

You can get an L15A block from a salvage yard for $500-700 (credit to Lyon for the many links provided, especially the one in WI I plan on going to pick up next week..)

A nice Mahle/Crower rotating assembly goes for ~1300 currently. Clevite or ACL can do bearings for Rod/Mains less than ~300.

Let says you REM/ISF/Cryo treat the crank for another $400-600 which is being generous, because the last time I used the Rocky Mountain Cryo guys, a full rotating assembly/valvetrain was $390 which came to about $450 with shipping and insurance.

Golden Eagle sleeves are going to run about $550 out the door from the set I found through google, and the guys I use at Advanced (Truck/Snow Plow repair and machine shop guys in Wheeling, not AMS in Chicago Heights) dinged me ~$50/hole to drill and drop some sleeves into a LSx block that I brought them, they offered to do the bore and hone for me as well for another $25, but fortunately I have my own torque plate and drill press.
A quarter block fill is like $30 in block hardener and a few weeks left to dry.

So far paying the high end puts us ~4230.

Lets say you drop ~$2500 on a fully built, cammed and extrude-honed/polished cylinder head, brings you to about ~6700 So lets call it ~7k if you have to have someone assemble it for you.

Really all we need for GEs (all prices are if you buy brand new and you are buying the more expensive ones available):

AEM FIC - $600
Loggable UEGO Gauge and Controller - $200
IAT - $50
MAP - $90-150 depending on your goals
EGT- $120-180
In line fuel pump - $90-220 depending on your goals
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator - $100-230
Charge piping/couplers - $150-400
Injectors - $300-1100 depending on your goals
Exhaust Mani adapter - $30 in materials.. labor depends on how good of friends you are with the machinist or what tools you have
Downpipe - $60 in flanges and materials plus labor (see above)
Intercoolers - $200-1000+ depending on your goals
BOV/Bypass - $40-200
Turbo - $300-1800 depending on your goals
Boomslang wiring harness - $220

So ~$2500- $5300 for a balls to the walls set up with everything new in box at full retail mark-up prices. This is neglecting free/salvaged parts.
Then for everything else included above it'll be about another $2.5-5K, or $9-12k for a 500whp+ Fit for just the engine and engine management.. assuming the drive train can handle that in stock trim, which at 300lb-ft or more, seems unlikely.



 
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Old 11-24-2010, 03:45 AM
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the fit should be just fine within the 220-280. anything more will really throw off the balance unless it becomes a dedicated track car.
 
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Old 11-26-2010, 07:43 PM
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insane! half that power would be great!
 
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:52 PM
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that turbo is HUGE
 
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Old 12-05-2010, 12:57 AM
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all i can say is that bisi is the sh*t no homo!!
 
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:22 PM
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damnnnnnnnnn
 
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:58 PM
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lol that thing is scary
 
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:44 PM
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bisi built like 30 or so parts custom made in 6 weeks to get this car to SEMA. nuts. i wonder how much for 200 whp?
 
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