ok guys, your thoughts please:

S2000 (AP1) or M3 (E30)

open to any and all considerations. would really like to hear about driving dynamics.

only constraint: choose one and only one.

 

Ap1.
Vtec FTW, Honda reliablity FTW.

 

eeeeep it's so hard

but i think i'm seriously going to have to go with tyler on this one
s2k

 

i would agree on both accounts. but the S14 in the E30 is a pretty outstanding motor, too. in the world of NA motor builds, i wish that BMW and honda would do a collaboration.

 

ok, another stipulation - please state why.

the more you read about these two cars, the more alike they seem. there are obvious differences but the S2K seems more inline with the philosophy of the E30 M3 than the E36 did.

 

i just like the s2k because it's just that. an s2000

and once you get it lowered, lip kit, wheels, and a hard top.
GAME OVER


this is why:
YouTube - Turbocharged Honda S2000 Turbo

 

s2k's are slow

 

YouTube - Best Motoring BMW M3 E30 vs Honda S2000
maybe someone can translate into a reader's digest version. basically, i want a car that i don't have to travel at ludicrous speed to enjoy. i think the only way to do that is a low powered rwd that is sensitive to using the throttle to achieve some nice yaw angles. can't be a super grip monster, else you have to go faster and faster to slide the car around.

basically, spent some time karting and i realized how much i missed going some measure of sideways when cornering.

 

you should probably getthe bmw e30 then. the s2000 is a all grip quick track car. not too much sideways motion is involved with them. watch the spoon s2k vids or aj racing s2000

 

true. but the sound right as you shift at 9k plus the top down make you feel like you're on fire.

 

running itb's and the full spoon exhaust is pure sex!!!

 

watching that vid though, you see how the s2k transitions from understeer to snap oversteer. whichever car i end up getting will be a track car, but i have come to the realization that when you're footing the bill yourself, you better be having a good time. for me, that will necessarily mean having some kind of yaw angle in (not talking drift competition, but an appropriate slip angle for the tire). again, i don't have a lot of experience in either car, but i never thought of the S2K as a grip car.

thoughts?

 

Just stick with the honda reliability and invest in spoon go fast parts.

 

AP1 hands down!

 

AP1!!! Realiable, fun, & plus its a honda. M3 is a cool car.... but think in the long run of maintainance & service it will kill you!

 

^
very true


go with the AP1
you know you want to

 

It sounds like u want the M3 than. The S2000 has no power at low Rpms u have to keep it in the high Rpms for it be fun. I have seen and gone up against truboed s2000 they are quick but not fast and it cost a lot. The m3s that i have went up against stock are quick

 

e30s are badass man.


forget the s2000. get the m3

 

<------ die hard honda fan, you need to get the s2. but instead of an ap1, get an ap2. i just like the look a lot better and s2's handles turns great!

 

i agree on the look, but the AP1 is the only way to go for "purists" or people looking for a challenging car to master. plus the 9k redline is more what i want, not the lowered redline that comes with the extra midrange in the AP2. i won't say that the AP1 is faster in any contest of speed. i will say that the AP1 demands more respect.