Timing belt - mileage vs time
#41
07-16-2005 | 10:43 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Well Peabody, I'd say if Mr.Earl will pay for the collateral damage, to
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."
For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...
Peabody wrote:
> For what it may be worth:
>
> I have a 94 Accord (soon to be 11 years old) with only 49,000 miles
> on it. Today I went to see Earl, who for the last 15 years has run
> a local repair shop specializing in Hondas and Acuras, and who is
> highly respected for the quality of his work and his expertise.
>
> Earl said the timing belt is almost exclusively a mileage item, and
> he would not recommend replacing mine until I reach 90k miles,
> pretty much no matter how long that takes. He said failures at
> fewer miles are extremely rare, and he routinely sees low-mileage
> early 80's Accords which still have their original timing belts.
>
> Earl had the opportunity to relieve me of several hundred dollars,
> since I went in to schedule the belt replacement, but he pretty
> firmly turned me down. So, I assume he at least believes what he's
> saying, even if he may not be right.
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the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."
For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...
Peabody wrote:
> For what it may be worth:
>
> I have a 94 Accord (soon to be 11 years old) with only 49,000 miles
> on it. Today I went to see Earl, who for the last 15 years has run
> a local repair shop specializing in Hondas and Acuras, and who is
> highly respected for the quality of his work and his expertise.
>
> Earl said the timing belt is almost exclusively a mileage item, and
> he would not recommend replacing mine until I reach 90k miles,
> pretty much no matter how long that takes. He said failures at
> fewer miles are extremely rare, and he routinely sees low-mileage
> early 80's Accords which still have their original timing belts.
>
> Earl had the opportunity to relieve me of several hundred dollars,
> since I went in to schedule the belt replacement, but he pretty
> firmly turned me down. So, I assume he at least believes what he's
> saying, even if he may not be right.
--
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-----------------------------------------
No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...
#42
07-16-2005 | 10:43 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Well Peabody, I'd say if Mr.Earl will pay for the collateral damage, to
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."
For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...
Peabody wrote:
> For what it may be worth:
>
> I have a 94 Accord (soon to be 11 years old) with only 49,000 miles
> on it. Today I went to see Earl, who for the last 15 years has run
> a local repair shop specializing in Hondas and Acuras, and who is
> highly respected for the quality of his work and his expertise.
>
> Earl said the timing belt is almost exclusively a mileage item, and
> he would not recommend replacing mine until I reach 90k miles,
> pretty much no matter how long that takes. He said failures at
> fewer miles are extremely rare, and he routinely sees low-mileage
> early 80's Accords which still have their original timing belts.
>
> Earl had the opportunity to relieve me of several hundred dollars,
> since I went in to schedule the belt replacement, but he pretty
> firmly turned me down. So, I assume he at least believes what he's
> saying, even if he may not be right.
--
Tp,
-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------
No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...
the engine, if the timing belt does break before 90k. Then I'd say
let-R-run and see who's right.
Thermal (heat) cycles and proper tension also factor in on the equation
of "when to replace the t/belt."
For the record, I replaced the T/Belt on my '90 Integra 3 years ago; it
only had 68k miles. The belt didn't look particularly distressed; but
at 12 years old the car is hardly worth what it would take to
rehabilitate the engine/head if the T/Belt did break...
Peabody wrote:
> For what it may be worth:
>
> I have a 94 Accord (soon to be 11 years old) with only 49,000 miles
> on it. Today I went to see Earl, who for the last 15 years has run
> a local repair shop specializing in Hondas and Acuras, and who is
> highly respected for the quality of his work and his expertise.
>
> Earl said the timing belt is almost exclusively a mileage item, and
> he would not recommend replacing mine until I reach 90k miles,
> pretty much no matter how long that takes. He said failures at
> fewer miles are extremely rare, and he routinely sees low-mileage
> early 80's Accords which still have their original timing belts.
>
> Earl had the opportunity to relieve me of several hundred dollars,
> since I went in to schedule the belt replacement, but he pretty
> firmly turned me down. So, I assume he at least believes what he's
> saying, even if he may not be right.
--
Tp,
-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
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-----------------------------------------
No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...
#43
07-17-2005 | 02:51 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
slim wrote:
>
> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>
>>slim wrote:
>>
>>>Elle wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>E wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Well, I first inspected mine at about 32,000 miles when the
>>>>>dealership "inspected" mine and told me they needed to be
>>>>>replaced. They did this with a straight face. I took the
>>>>>wheels off and looked, and it was obvious I was being
>>>>>bullshitted, and I complained to the service manager. The
>>>>>second time was last week. At 49,300 miles, I thought it
>>>>>probably wasn't too early to check them again.
>>>>
>>>>My 91 Civic's first brake pads wore to the warning tabs after 43k miles.
>>>
>>>The Scumbags at Paragon Honda in LIC told me at 12K that "they had to"
>>>replace my pads to keep my warranty intact.
>>
>>I hope you reported them to Honda.
>
> "Each dealership is independently owned and operated
True, but a Honda dealership is a license to print money and Honda
probably cares about how the public regards it. Dealers cannot afford to
jeopardize their relationship with Honda.
> and the repair fell into accepted standards."
Which standards are those? If the pads weren't worn to their service
life, this was fraud, along with false claim about being required to
keep the "warranty intact".
If it were me, I'd report them to Honda (plus the BBB & the state agency
which deals with this sort of thing) and see what Honda had to say,
after telling the dealer to get stuffed. Be sure to note which service
adviser told you this.
>
> Sparky Spartacus wrote:
>
>>slim wrote:
>>
>>>Elle wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>E wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Well, I first inspected mine at about 32,000 miles when the
>>>>>dealership "inspected" mine and told me they needed to be
>>>>>replaced. They did this with a straight face. I took the
>>>>>wheels off and looked, and it was obvious I was being
>>>>>bullshitted, and I complained to the service manager. The
>>>>>second time was last week. At 49,300 miles, I thought it
>>>>>probably wasn't too early to check them again.
>>>>
>>>>My 91 Civic's first brake pads wore to the warning tabs after 43k miles.
>>>
>>>The Scumbags at Paragon Honda in LIC told me at 12K that "they had to"
>>>replace my pads to keep my warranty intact.
>>
>>I hope you reported them to Honda.
>
> "Each dealership is independently owned and operated
True, but a Honda dealership is a license to print money and Honda
probably cares about how the public regards it. Dealers cannot afford to
jeopardize their relationship with Honda.
> and the repair fell into accepted standards."
Which standards are those? If the pads weren't worn to their service
life, this was fraud, along with false claim about being required to
keep the "warranty intact".
If it were me, I'd report them to Honda (plus the BBB & the state agency
which deals with this sort of thing) and see what Honda had to say,
after telling the dealer to get stuffed. Be sure to note which service
adviser told you this.
#44
07-17-2005 | 10:44 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
> you four hours labor for a two hour job.
If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
hour charge?
If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
Because he's better?
Same result, same charge.
#45
07-17-2005 | 12:40 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> hour charge?
> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
> Because he's better?
>
> Same result, same charge.
Sure with one of the publishers I work for felt this way... will NEVER
happen!
> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> hour charge?
> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
> Because he's better?
>
> Same result, same charge.
Sure with one of the publishers I work for felt this way... will NEVER
happen!
#46
07-17-2005 | 09:34 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
In article <42DAFD56.50EDDB23@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
> > If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> > hour charge?
>
> Nice attempt at a strawman.
no, it's the truth.
wrote:
> > If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> > hour charge?
>
> Nice attempt at a strawman.
no, it's the truth.
#47
07-17-2005 | 09:34 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Steve Bigelow wrote:
>>
>> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:42D9E504.1F710861@nyc.rr.com...
>> > Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
>> > you four hours labor for a two hour job.
>>
>> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that
>> six
>> hour charge?
>
> Nice attempt at a strawman.
Thanks! Enjoyed your rebuttal as well!
>> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the
>> proper
>> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
>> Because he's better?
>>
>> Same result, same charge.
>
> Not true.
Ok, so what's the difference between the two jobs above?
> The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job.
>
> Most mechanics around me will do the job for $400-475.
So what's the problem? Didn't shop around?
#48
07-17-2005 | 11:30 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <42DAFD56.50EDDB23@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
>>>hour charge?
>>
>>Nice attempt at a strawman.
>
>
> no, it's the truth.
>
book rate is book rate. obviously it can be fudged by a "nice"
independant. thats why good, quick ASE certified mechanics can make good
money- by doing more work.
FWIW, when i got the engine on my rabbit convertible replaced years ago,
i had to upsell the independant mechanic by ASKING him to do the CV joints.
> In article <42DAFD56.50EDDB23@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
>>>hour charge?
>>
>>Nice attempt at a strawman.
>
>
> no, it's the truth.
>
book rate is book rate. obviously it can be fudged by a "nice"
independant. thats why good, quick ASE certified mechanics can make good
money- by doing more work.
FWIW, when i got the engine on my rabbit convertible replaced years ago,
i had to upsell the independant mechanic by ASKING him to do the CV joints.
#49
07-18-2005 | 03:18 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Steve Bigelow wrote:
> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:42D9E504.1F710861@nyc.rr.com...
>
>>Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
>>you four hours labor for a two hour job.
>
>
> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> hour charge?
> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
> Because he's better?
>
> Same result, same charge.
Three words, Steve: flat rate manual
It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4 hours.
> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:42D9E504.1F710861@nyc.rr.com...
>
>>Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
>>you four hours labor for a two hour job.
>
>
> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that six
> hour charge?
> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the proper
> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
> Because he's better?
>
> Same result, same charge.
Three words, Steve: flat rate manual
It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4 hours.
#50
07-18-2005 | 07:00 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
"Sparky Spartacus" <Sparky@universalexports.org> wrote in message
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> Steve Bigelow wrote:
>> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:42D9E504.1F710861@nyc.rr.com...
>>
>>>Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
>>>you four hours labor for a two hour job.
>>
>>
>> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that
>> six hour charge?
>> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the
>> proper tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
>> Because he's better?
>>
>> Same result, same charge.
>
> Three words, Steve: flat rate manual
>
> It won't take the new mechanic 6 hours to do a job the FRM rates at 4
> hours.
*sigh*
Never mind.
#51
07-18-2005 | 09:36 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
jim beam wrote:
> i've spent a whole lot of time in junk yards over the years [a great
> place to see a lot of failures] and gotta say, it's pretty unusual to
> see a [honda] timing belt that's in such bad condition that i'd be
> concerned about failure just through age. theoretically, yes, belts
> crack, belt fibers fatigue and teeth fall off, but this is seldom
> without any form of visible deterioration. i say, do a visual
> inspection. if it apears to be in bad shape, cracking, fraying, teeth
> worn or deformed, yes, replace regardless of mileage. but if it's not,
> and you /know/ for sure mileage is within spec, i'd stick with earl's
> advice.
How do I inspect the TB? It appears to be under a cover that's between
the water pump and the engine?
Some info FWIW:
90 Civic (bought new 2/90); 116k miles, original timing belt and water
pump.
(previous Usenet research indicated engine damage from a break
was relatively rare? Anybody got real data on this?)
~8k miles/year, 1500 highway, rest 4 miles/day to work.
Recent problems:
Transmission made a grinding noise while in neutral/park, did it 3
times then stopped - loose/broken parking pawl?
Minor oil leak - a few drips a day.
Mild "rubbing" noise from left front wheel; goes away when brakes
applied. CV joints replaced with rebuilts a few years ago.
Same "hot engine after stopping" as reported in another thread - did it
once after a few hours of highway driving, hasn't done it since.
Latest problem:
Wouldn't start Sunday noon - turned over, but no ignition.
Left it, had a friend check it Monday morning, said it fired right up.
Went back after work with him, and it wouldn't start again :^(
Popped air hose in front of injector in case air filter was clogged
(bolts are rusted thus can't check it); didn't seem to help.
Let it sit for 5-10 minutes, gave it one last try before giving up and
having it towed to dealer, and it fired up - ???
Is it the fuel pump/filter, the timing belt, or something else?
On my 81 Civic once I had a vacuum line come off; it would stall, and
not start unless I took the air cleaner cover off and waited a few
minutes.
I really like this hatchback, and until Honda starts making them again,
I'd rather not have to replace my 90; but I also need to have the body
bondo-ed every year to get through PA inspection, and that's starting
to get old too :^(
My dealer recently moved off the bus line, and they've never been big
on loaners, so I generally have to be desperate to take it to them :^(
Ron Bauerle
> i've spent a whole lot of time in junk yards over the years [a great
> place to see a lot of failures] and gotta say, it's pretty unusual to
> see a [honda] timing belt that's in such bad condition that i'd be
> concerned about failure just through age. theoretically, yes, belts
> crack, belt fibers fatigue and teeth fall off, but this is seldom
> without any form of visible deterioration. i say, do a visual
> inspection. if it apears to be in bad shape, cracking, fraying, teeth
> worn or deformed, yes, replace regardless of mileage. but if it's not,
> and you /know/ for sure mileage is within spec, i'd stick with earl's
> advice.
How do I inspect the TB? It appears to be under a cover that's between
the water pump and the engine?
Some info FWIW:
90 Civic (bought new 2/90); 116k miles, original timing belt and water
pump.
(previous Usenet research indicated engine damage from a break
was relatively rare? Anybody got real data on this?)
~8k miles/year, 1500 highway, rest 4 miles/day to work.
Recent problems:
Transmission made a grinding noise while in neutral/park, did it 3
times then stopped - loose/broken parking pawl?
Minor oil leak - a few drips a day.
Mild "rubbing" noise from left front wheel; goes away when brakes
applied. CV joints replaced with rebuilts a few years ago.
Same "hot engine after stopping" as reported in another thread - did it
once after a few hours of highway driving, hasn't done it since.
Latest problem:
Wouldn't start Sunday noon - turned over, but no ignition.
Left it, had a friend check it Monday morning, said it fired right up.
Went back after work with him, and it wouldn't start again :^(
Popped air hose in front of injector in case air filter was clogged
(bolts are rusted thus can't check it); didn't seem to help.
Let it sit for 5-10 minutes, gave it one last try before giving up and
having it towed to dealer, and it fired up - ???
Is it the fuel pump/filter, the timing belt, or something else?
On my 81 Civic once I had a vacuum line come off; it would stall, and
not start unless I took the air cleaner cover off and waited a few
minutes.
I really like this hatchback, and until Honda starts making them again,
I'd rather not have to replace my 90; but I also need to have the body
bondo-ed every year to get through PA inspection, and that's starting
to get old too :^(
My dealer recently moved off the bus line, and they've never been big
on loaners, so I generally have to be desperate to take it to them :^(
Ron Bauerle
#52
07-18-2005 | 11:50 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
ron.bauerle@gmail.com wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
>
>
>>i've spent a whole lot of time in junk yards over the years [a great
>>place to see a lot of failures] and gotta say, it's pretty unusual to
>>see a [honda] timing belt that's in such bad condition that i'd be
>>concerned about failure just through age. theoretically, yes, belts
>>crack, belt fibers fatigue and teeth fall off, but this is seldom
>>without any form of visible deterioration. i say, do a visual
>>inspection. if it apears to be in bad shape, cracking, fraying, teeth
>>worn or deformed, yes, replace regardless of mileage. but if it's not,
>>and you /know/ for sure mileage is within spec, i'd stick with earl's
>>advice.
>
>
> How do I inspect the TB? It appears to be under a cover that's between
> the water pump and the engine?
take the valve cover off and you can remove the top part of the belt
cover easily.
>
> Some info FWIW:
> 90 Civic (bought new 2/90); 116k miles, original timing belt and water
> pump.
> (previous Usenet research indicated engine damage from a break
> was relatively rare? Anybody got real data on this?)
> ~8k miles/year, 1500 highway, rest 4 miles/day to work.
"relatively rare" is too hard to quantify. probability of failure
increases with mileage.
>
> Recent problems:
>
> Transmission made a grinding noise while in neutral/park, did it 3
> times then stopped - loose/broken parking pawl?
>
> Minor oil leak - a few drips a day.
>
> Mild "rubbing" noise from left front wheel; goes away when brakes
> applied. CV joints replaced with rebuilts a few years ago.
>
> Same "hot engine after stopping" as reported in another thread - did it
> once after a few hours of highway driving, hasn't done it since.
main relay
>
> Latest problem:
> Wouldn't start Sunday noon - turned over, but no ignition.
> Left it, had a friend check it Monday morning, said it fired right up.
> Went back after work with him, and it wouldn't start again :^(
> Popped air hose in front of injector in case air filter was clogged
> (bolts are rusted thus can't check it); didn't seem to help.
> Let it sit for 5-10 minutes, gave it one last try before giving up and
> having it towed to dealer, and it fired up - ???
main relay
>
> Is it the fuel pump/filter, the timing belt, or something else?
main relay
>
> On my 81 Civic once I had a vacuum line come off; it would stall, and
> not start unless I took the air cleaner cover off and waited a few
> minutes.
>
> I really like this hatchback, and until Honda starts making them again,
> I'd rather not have to replace my 90; but I also need to have the body
> bondo-ed every year to get through PA inspection, and that's starting
> to get old too :^(
i'm with you on the hatchback thing. let's all write to honda usa &
tell them we want our hatchbacks back!
>
> My dealer recently moved off the bus line, and they've never been big
> on loaners, so I generally have to be desperate to take it to them :^(
>
> Ron Bauerle
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>
>>i've spent a whole lot of time in junk yards over the years [a great
>>place to see a lot of failures] and gotta say, it's pretty unusual to
>>see a [honda] timing belt that's in such bad condition that i'd be
>>concerned about failure just through age. theoretically, yes, belts
>>crack, belt fibers fatigue and teeth fall off, but this is seldom
>>without any form of visible deterioration. i say, do a visual
>>inspection. if it apears to be in bad shape, cracking, fraying, teeth
>>worn or deformed, yes, replace regardless of mileage. but if it's not,
>>and you /know/ for sure mileage is within spec, i'd stick with earl's
>>advice.
>
>
> How do I inspect the TB? It appears to be under a cover that's between
> the water pump and the engine?
take the valve cover off and you can remove the top part of the belt
cover easily.
>
> Some info FWIW:
> 90 Civic (bought new 2/90); 116k miles, original timing belt and water
> pump.
> (previous Usenet research indicated engine damage from a break
> was relatively rare? Anybody got real data on this?)
> ~8k miles/year, 1500 highway, rest 4 miles/day to work.
"relatively rare" is too hard to quantify. probability of failure
increases with mileage.
>
> Recent problems:
>
> Transmission made a grinding noise while in neutral/park, did it 3
> times then stopped - loose/broken parking pawl?
>
> Minor oil leak - a few drips a day.
>
> Mild "rubbing" noise from left front wheel; goes away when brakes
> applied. CV joints replaced with rebuilts a few years ago.
>
> Same "hot engine after stopping" as reported in another thread - did it
> once after a few hours of highway driving, hasn't done it since.
main relay
>
> Latest problem:
> Wouldn't start Sunday noon - turned over, but no ignition.
> Left it, had a friend check it Monday morning, said it fired right up.
> Went back after work with him, and it wouldn't start again :^(
> Popped air hose in front of injector in case air filter was clogged
> (bolts are rusted thus can't check it); didn't seem to help.
> Let it sit for 5-10 minutes, gave it one last try before giving up and
> having it towed to dealer, and it fired up - ???
main relay
>
> Is it the fuel pump/filter, the timing belt, or something else?
main relay
>
> On my 81 Civic once I had a vacuum line come off; it would stall, and
> not start unless I took the air cleaner cover off and waited a few
> minutes.
>
> I really like this hatchback, and until Honda starts making them again,
> I'd rather not have to replace my 90; but I also need to have the body
> bondo-ed every year to get through PA inspection, and that's starting
> to get old too :^(
i'm with you on the hatchback thing. let's all write to honda usa &
tell them we want our hatchbacks back!
>
> My dealer recently moved off the bus line, and they've never been big
> on loaners, so I generally have to be desperate to take it to them :^(
>
> Ron Bauerle
>
#53
07-19-2005 | 11:30 AM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
Steve Bigelow wrote:
>
> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:42DAFD56.50EDDB23@nyc.rr.com...
> >
> >
> > Steve Bigelow wrote:
> >>
> >> "slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >> news:42D9E504.1F710861@nyc.rr.com...
> >> > Just like when the SCUMBAGS tell you they HAVE to charge
> >> > you four hours labor for a two hour job.
> >>
> >> If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying that
> >> six
> >> hour charge?
> >
> > Nice attempt at a strawman.
>
> Thanks! Enjoyed your rebuttal as well!
>
> >> If the experienced mechanic, with a huge personal investment in the
> >> proper
> >> tools, does it in two hours, why should he be paid less?
> >> Because he's better?
> >>
> >> Same result, same charge.
> >
> > Not true.
>
> Ok, so what's the difference between the two jobs above?
>
> > The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job.
> >
> > Most mechanics around me will do the job for $400-475.
>
> So what's the problem? Didn't shop around?
I got mine done for $400 by a mechanic who does a lot of Hondas.
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"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""
http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/ar...05/052705w.php
"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."
RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's ass.
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"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
#54
07-19-2005 | 06:44 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> > The Scumbag says he "has" to charge $675 for a belt/pump job.
> I got mine done for $400 by a mechanic who does a lot of Hondas.
Well, that's clear.
Thanks for playing.
#55
07-19-2005 | 06:44 PM
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Re: Timing belt - mileage vs time
"slim" <pickin's@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>
>> In article <42DAFD56.50EDDB23@nyc.rr.com>, slim <pickin's@nyc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > If a new mechanic took six hours, would you have a problem paying
>> > > that six
>> > > hour charge?
>> >
>> > Nice attempt at a strawman.
>>
>> no, it's the truth.
>
> What dealer would hire (and keep) a wrench who does a two hour job in six?
>
> Strawman....burned.
You work hourly, don't you....
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