ditto on either Honda or Camry being great cars.

Honestly your age demographic suggests that the Camry is more in line for
you. I am not being a smart ass or anything it is just the truth. Camry's
are marketed towards an older demographic than the Hondas. Honda's are
geared for younger couples or young families although either car can do the
same thing for young or old.

The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for a
'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.


"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:T2mke.499$TJ2.194@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com. ..
> It seems to me like these two companies make the best cars. I'm retired
> and need to get a good four door and my main concerns are reliabliity, low
> cost maintenance and initial cost. I would consider a year or two year
> old also. I hear of Honda Civics going to 300,000 miles with few problems.
> Which is better, the Accord or the Camry or did I miss one?
>
> --
>
> 73
> Hank WD5JFR
>

 

<ketterj@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116867289.315009.262770@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>I own both Honda and Toyota and I like the resposiveness better on the
> Honda, but the comfort (and room) of the Toyota.

Honda is definitely more fun to drive than toyota, and the whole idea of
having a car is driving it so I'd go for the Accord!

RAT

 

>
> The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for a
> 'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.
>

Yep, my mom recently went shopping for the "standard issue" sedan and ended
up with an 05 Camry after test driving both, citing the smoothness and
quietness as pluses. She is well aware of my Honda bias!

 

Rattus The RAT wrote:
> <ketterj@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116867289.315009.262770@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>I own both Honda and Toyota and I like the resposiveness better on the
>>Honda, but the comfort (and room) of the Toyota.
>
>
> Honda is definitely more fun to drive than toyota, and the whole idea of
> having a car is driving it so I'd go for the Accord!
>
> RAT
>
>
seems that in the past gen or 2 some of the fun has been toned down to
more like blandness.

 

The old retiree is leaniung toward a Camry, I have all the fun and tickets
driving performance cars. I'll leave that to others. Thanks to all for all
the opinions.
Hank
"MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2a2dnWAJm5b4Lw_fRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> >
>> The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for a
>> 'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.
>>
>
> Yep, my mom recently went shopping for the "standard issue" sedan and
> ended up with an 05 Camry after test driving both, citing the smoothness
> and quietness as pluses. She is well aware of my Honda bias!
>

 

Why? The belt is quieter and will last to about 100,000 miles.
Anybody pushing the car past that point is risking a shot water pump.
You just replace the belt and the pump at the same time. Good for
another 100,000 miles.

My mind changed about this subject a year ago, when my water pump
failed on my I30 at 96,000 miles. The job to replace the pump is so
intricate (access problems & cam timing difficulties), that even my
Infiniti dealer calls in a floater to do this specialty work. $650 for
a new pump. Seems to me that I gained nothing with a metal chain,
except extra noise.

FWIW, the new Accord I4 engine does use a chain. The V6 has a 105,000
mile belt.

 

When it come to the Accord vs Camry, I'm totally biased toward the Honda. I
can't stand that primitive exhaust system on the Camry that (when viewed
from the rear) looks like a tumor growing out of the under side of the car.
It seems that a flat underside is a somewhat important trait for modern car
design. So, why doesn't the vaunted Camry have it? That car is well over-do
for a revision (judging from the new Avalon, it'd probably be a home run).
Until then, I'd go with an already re-designed car with a vastly better
suspension system.

Pars

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cVGke.965$3D6.725@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com. ..
> The old retiree is leaniung toward a Camry, I have all the fun and tickets
> driving performance cars. I'll leave that to others. Thanks to all for
all
> the opinions.
> Hank
> "MAT" <marcoat*RM_@SPAM_*hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2a2dnWAJm5b4Lw_fRVn-hw@comcast.com...
> > >
> >> The Camry is known for its "cushier' ride while the Honda is tuned for
a
> >> 'sportier' ride hence the demographic push.
> >>
> >
> > Yep, my mom recently went shopping for the "standard issue" sedan and
> > ended up with an 05 Camry after test driving both, citing the smoothness
> > and quietness as pluses. She is well aware of my Honda bias!
> >
>
>

 

In article <6qadnWNnqaAkVwXfRVn-rw@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
> bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
> the way to make money.

I agree. The last 10 years have seen way too many dumb decisions come
from Honda.

I love Honda, but I honestly believe--today--that Toyota provides a
better value.

Honda had better get back on the stick.

 

In article <elmop-AFB8B6.17023228052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com>, "Elmo P.
Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <6qadnWNnqaAkVwXfRVn-rw@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
> > honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
> > bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
> > the way to make money.
>
> I agree. The last 10 years have seen way too many dumb decisions come
> from Honda.
>
> I love Honda, but I honestly believe--today--that Toyota provides a
> better value.
>
> Honda had better get back on the stick.

I think that we can all agree that Honda and Toyota both make cars that
are far superior to any of the cars made my GM and Ford.

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Jason wrote:
> I think that we can all agree that Honda and Toyota both make cars that
> are far superior to any of the cars made my GM and Ford.

or chrysler, whos biggest seller is the bloated pimpmobile 300. do they
offer a vinyl roof kit and whitewalls for that thing yet?

 

SoCalMike wrote:

> Jason wrote:
>> I think that we can all agree that Honda and Toyota both make cars that
>> are far superior to any of the cars made my GM and Ford.
>
> or chrysler, whos biggest seller is the bloated pimpmobile 300. do they
> offer a vinyl roof kit and whitewalls for that thing yet?

Pimpmobile is an accurate term. It looks like a Cadillac.

 

In article <OOCdnax5yOpg3QffRVn-rQ@comcast.com>,
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jason wrote:
> > I think that we can all agree that Honda and Toyota both make cars that
> > are far superior to any of the cars made my GM and Ford.
>
> or chrysler, whos biggest seller is the bloated pimpmobile 300. do they
> offer a vinyl roof kit and whitewalls for that thing yet?

I'll never forget many years ago seeing a Cressida on the Toyota
dealer's lot, full of vinyl roof kit and wire wheels and whitewalls. I
had to ask; it seems that they did the car up for a customer who never
returned, so they stuck it out there to see what they could do with it.

I didn't ask if the work was paid for or if the dealership did it on
spec; I wasn't going to put them in that position, because I got the
feeling they did it on spec. Poor bastards.

 

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:6qadnWNnqaAkVwXfRVn-rw@speakeasy.net...
> >
> >
> > There are exceptions to every rule. I agree--Honda should have solved
this
> > problem before they put that same defective transmission in the 99 Honda
> > Accord 6 cyld. cars. Honda dropped the ball. My neighbor has a 99 Honda
6
> > cyld. Accord. I have not told them about the problem since it would just
> > cause them to worry. Do you know whether or not Honda is replacing those
> > transmissions for free? if so, I will tell them in case their
transmission
> > develops problems. I am glad that I have the 4 cyld. version of the same
> > car instead of the 6 cyld.
> >
> which about the same time honda took the decision to drop all hatchbacks
> here in the u.s., make the civic macpherson strut and adopt red rear
> turn signal lenses - one of the DUMBEST things i have ever seen. oh,
> and make the accord have twin pipes coming out of the rear despite the
> fact that there's only pipe coming under the car.
>
> whatever my pet peeves, honda have come under a lot of criticism from
> the financial analysts for their civic decison - it basically handed the
> substantial "enthusiast" market to subaru on a plate with
> correspondingly disasterous drops in sales. when's the last time you
> saw an rsx, the macpherson "integra"? and toyota have taken a lot of
> honda's family sedan market because of the transmission problems you cite.
>
> honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
> bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
> the way to make money. wrong honda, wrong. that's ford/g.m.'s game. i
> used to buy honda because they were well made, well engineered, sporty
> little cars. if i was in the market for a new car today, i'd buy toyota
> or nissan. or subaru.


Here's an article I wrote 3 years ago that flowed the same thread.



Too bad...what happened to the days when the Civic was all about an
automobile
that was derived from racing inspired genes. Don't the car company know that
the been counters are only about the short term profit?? BMW, Mercedes, GM
are
the kind of car company that are
careful about protecting their roots. New roots are going to have be grown,
and
since cars are generally alot more reliable when compared to the past, it
shouldn't be difficult for a car company like Hyundai to build something
sporting and economical that only cost about 12k. All they have to do is
copy
the CRX.


Pars

 

Pars wrote:
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:6qadnWNnqaAkVwXfRVn-rw@speakeasy.net...
>
>>>
>>>There are exceptions to every rule. I agree--Honda should have solved
>
> this
>
>>>problem before they put that same defective transmission in the 99 Honda
>>>Accord 6 cyld. cars. Honda dropped the ball. My neighbor has a 99 Honda
>
> 6
>
>>>cyld. Accord. I have not told them about the problem since it would just
>>>cause them to worry. Do you know whether or not Honda is replacing those
>>>transmissions for free? if so, I will tell them in case their
>
> transmission
>
>>>develops problems. I am glad that I have the 4 cyld. version of the same
>>>car instead of the 6 cyld.
>>>
>>
>>which about the same time honda took the decision to drop all hatchbacks
>>here in the u.s., make the civic macpherson strut and adopt red rear
>>turn signal lenses - one of the DUMBEST things i have ever seen. oh,
>>and make the accord have twin pipes coming out of the rear despite the
>>fact that there's only pipe coming under the car.
>>
>>whatever my pet peeves, honda have come under a lot of criticism from
>>the financial analysts for their civic decison - it basically handed the
>>substantial "enthusiast" market to subaru on a plate with
>>correspondingly disasterous drops in sales. when's the last time you
>>saw an rsx, the macpherson "integra"? and toyota have taken a lot of
>>honda's family sedan market because of the transmission problems you cite.
>>
>>honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
>>bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
>>the way to make money. wrong honda, wrong. that's ford/g.m.'s game. i
>>used to buy honda because they were well made, well engineered, sporty
>>little cars. if i was in the market for a new car today, i'd buy toyota
>>or nissan. or subaru.
>
>
>
> Here's an article I wrote 3 years ago that flowed the same thread.
>
>
>
> Too bad...what happened to the days when the Civic was all about an
> automobile
> that was derived from racing inspired genes. Don't the car company know that
> the been counters are only about the short term profit?? BMW, Mercedes, GM
> are
> the kind of car company that are
> careful about protecting their roots. New roots are going to have be grown,
> and
> since cars are generally alot more reliable when compared to the past, it
> shouldn't be difficult for a car company like Hyundai to build something
> sporting and economical that only cost about 12k. All they have to do is
> copy
> the CRX.
>
>
> Pars
>
>
missing link!

 

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:25Sdnc0YtJVN5gffRVn-sw@speakeasy.net...
> Pars wrote:
> > "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:6qadnWNnqaAkVwXfRVn-rw@speakeasy.net...
> >
> >>>
> >>>There are exceptions to every rule. I agree--Honda should have solved
> >
> > this
> >
> >>>problem before they put that same defective transmission in the 99
Honda
> >>>Accord 6 cyld. cars. Honda dropped the ball. My neighbor has a 99 Honda
> >
> > 6
> >
> >>>cyld. Accord. I have not told them about the problem since it would
just
> >>>cause them to worry. Do you know whether or not Honda is replacing
those
> >>>transmissions for free? if so, I will tell them in case their
> >
> > transmission
> >
> >>>develops problems. I am glad that I have the 4 cyld. version of the
same
> >>>car instead of the 6 cyld.
> >>>
> >>
> >>which about the same time honda took the decision to drop all hatchbacks
> >>here in the u.s., make the civic macpherson strut and adopt red rear
> >>turn signal lenses - one of the DUMBEST things i have ever seen. oh,
> >>and make the accord have twin pipes coming out of the rear despite the
> >>fact that there's only pipe coming under the car.
> >>
> >>whatever my pet peeves, honda have come under a lot of criticism from
> >>the financial analysts for their civic decison - it basically handed the
> >>substantial "enthusiast" market to subaru on a plate with
> >>correspondingly disasterous drops in sales. when's the last time you
> >>saw an rsx, the macpherson "integra"? and toyota have taken a lot of
> >>honda's family sedan market because of the transmission problems you
cite.
> >>
> >>honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
> >>bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
> >>the way to make money. wrong honda, wrong. that's ford/g.m.'s game. i
> >>used to buy honda because they were well made, well engineered, sporty
> >>little cars. if i was in the market for a new car today, i'd buy toyota
> >>or nissan. or subaru.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's an article I wrote 3 years ago that flowed the same thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > Too bad...what happened to the days when the Civic was all about an
> > automobile
> > that was derived from racing inspired genes. Don't the car company know
that
> > the been counters are only about the short term profit?? BMW, Mercedes,
GM
> > are
> > the kind of car company that are
> > careful about protecting their roots. New roots are going to have be
grown,
> > and
> > since cars are generally alot more reliable when compared to the past,
it
> > shouldn't be difficult for a car company like Hyundai to build something
> > sporting and economical that only cost about 12k. All they have to do is
> > copy
> > the CRX.
> >
> >
> > Pars
> >
> >
> missing link!
>

I did a cut and paste the acutal article (as per above). But here's the
link...

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.au...987a1d0babffcf

Pars