thanks for the links, although if i'm not mistaken, the dynos taken here show that the si and the gti especially have superior powerbands. and it also proves that how castrated and ready-to-be-unleashed the gti's turbo is.

this same motor makes 260 hp in the highest performing audi a3 in europe.

 

i was actually looking into GTI's, and boy are they nice looking. The only reason i actually swung on the fit was that it was much cheaper than a GTI and the cost of insurance is much much lower. My friend is paying 300+ for his GTI per month on insurance. He wrecked his old 3000gt and his grandma basically payed outright for his GTI plus his insurance money. If it were not under his mom's name he would've realistically payed 450+ per month on a GTI. If you really wanted to make your car faster or just as fast a GTI all you really have to do is buy a spoon supercharger for your fit even though it may void your warranty. It's known with a new computer chip you could realistically boost your GTI for 230hp with 215lbs of torque instead of the 200hp and the 200lbs of torque.

If you want oomph, by all means get a GTI. If you want reliability and cheaper insurance go for a fit.

PS... I should've bought a MT Fit, thinking back i thought the AT Sport would be a nice feature since my sister was learning to drive and i could mess around with the paddle shifters. I kinda regret it now, but i would not trade that in for a mt sport fit since i know im gonna lose some money in the process if i were to downgrade. It might be a direct trade though, but still i would lose 1000 bucks....

 

my friend. maybe are not using the same technology, but in the GTI you can feel that the transmission is the same like a manual. For me, the best transmission is the transmission that its fast as the manual transmission. (only without clutch)

the GTI VW offer this. (much much more than the CVT of the Honda fit..but MUCH more.)

if honda want or does not want,does not matter my friend. the consumer want something, you have to adapt of it.


The future of the transmission is this: SEMI-Automatic or possibly..the same technology as the actual F1 (this is like computer and server).

 

There is a substantial difference between an automatic transmission that can be shifted manually and a dual clutch setup seen in the GTi (DSG) among others. An automatic transmission with paddle shifters is a far cry (in terms of speed of shift, control, physical design) from dual clutch systems.

However, you are exactly right about consumers not wanting manual transmissions. I feel somehow out of the loop with many car buyers by owning two new cars that are MT.

 

haha dont feel bad :) there just lazy mt is always more fun unless your sitting in rush hour technically the dsg is faster than the manual but 6 speed is just so much more fun

 

There has been no rallying cry for semi-automatic cars. Those have been offered in luxury cars or significantly higher priced cars. It's a smart business decision to not add gimmicks to a car that may cost them their reputation. Honda builds according to the consumer, problem is many consumers, quite contrary to your belief are not asking for semi-automatic vehicles. They are seeking vehicles that offer the best MPG possible hence the changing trend towards CVT and Hybrids. DSG (VW) or Sequential (Toyota MR2 Spyder), are unique features but coming from the MR2 point of view many drivers ditch the sequential for a purely manual transmission car if they want to modify it, these features seem gimmicky at best.

 

have you owned a VW or audi before? there are two significant points that have steered me away from getting one again:

1. cost of ownership is significantly higher in a VW/Audi than a honda. fuel consumption is more in the VW, and even worse once you get into "mods" that require 93 oct fuel. german parts and labor costs are typically more expensive than their japanese counterpart. in general, japanese parts have greater longevity, something to think about if you think you may hold onto the car for the long run.

2. perceived greater luxury and athleticism wears off as you become more familiar with the VW. you'll likely notice many more significant gaps between body and interior panels in the VW, though the interior will be generally more attractive. you'll also be disappointed with the way that the VW/audi feels over potholes or big bumps when you are mid-turn, something that an equivalent BMW typically handles much better. and in this case, the VW in question is not very good, and - my opinion - the Fit is better. so, myi expect that in terms of true quality and character, over the long haul as you really get to know the car, goes to the fit.


if you're really, really wanting a performance car, neither car is all that obvious a choice. but big weight, fwd, and the torque of a turbo end up being very frustrating and boring should you get into motorsports that involve turns, so i would expect the fit would be a great car for something like autox especially at 2500 lbs.

 

I was set on buying a white 4-door GTI too, but then the reports on the 2.0T were flowing in, and I could tell it was going to be troublesome like my Jetta VR6. So I got the Fit, thinking it a no-brainer, but it's not that simple.

1) a/t no power
2) commuting ride quality bumpier than expected
3) paint freaking sucks compared to VW

So in the end, I feel like I traded power/ride/paint for engine reliability (ie, avoiding constant CELs). I think I should have taken a closer look at the Mazda3. I've got a couple friends that have them -- not terribly exciting, but seemingly reliable and okay quality so far. But for the price, Fit is alright.

 

Porsche's only relationship to VW / Audi is as a majority stockholder, and that's a recent development (last year) at that. The only real part sharing in recent history is between the VW Tourag and the Cayenne. If you check Consumer Reports (like any other agency that reports on that stuff, you can only trust so much), you'll find both of those vehicles plagued with below industry reliability.

As for Audi, I don't feel the lack of reliability of my A3 was unique to me. If you over to the Audi forums at fourtitude.com, you'll find people are pretty vocal about it. Most of the problems I had (cracking seats, rattling windows) were shared by others. I've been told by other owners that A4s are even worse.

 

I don't know why everyone is bassing all of their comparisons around autox I h8 autox lol if anything I drag race so the nimblesness of the fit has absolutly nothing to do with my desision im sure the gti and the fit can get down the track just as st8 as one another lol =p I plan on going to the vw dealership and sitting down with a salesmanager and going over the maintnance routines and cost and seeing if I can afford that thanks for bringing that it is more expensive to keep them up I never thaught of that. But I would rather have a 250 hp gti (after ecu flash) than a fit if I can afford it and if it will be reliable I have 2 friends that have a 06 gti and an 06 a4 and so far they said no problems with either. And I've driven both so im starting to think that vws of the past have been shotty but it may be possible in an attempt to save their reputation they are producing better vehicles. Also the weight issue. When a gti is stock tuned (cpu tuned) without performance parts it vs a stock sti or evo if were going for engine stuff here. Its only at most 100 lbs more and more functional for me and the hp deficit at the wheels is like 20 hp wich isn't to bad plus its 8 grand cheaper than both and gets far better gas milage.

 

It sounds like you totally are set on a GTI, and if thats what you want then go for it man! Dont let any of us steer you away from a car YOU truely want! Just make sure to get a nice warrenty! Also if you get one, make sure to post some pics for us lol! Good luck dude!

 

Sounds like you are planning to buy a GTI and chip it (That's what I have to presume if you expect it to make 250 hp for a few hundred bucks). Make sure you do your homework on that. It's been a serious point of tension between VW and it's owner base. Many dealers contend that chipping the engine voids your warranty. Owners contend otherwise. It's gotten nasty to the point that some dealers will re-flash your ECU when you leave it for regular service. Many of my buddies have been denied warranty service because they chipped their engines, which is a bullshit policy.

Once you are sure that chipping is what you want to do, you'll need to do all the research on what chip you want. Many brands, and many different advantages / disadvantages out there. Hopefully you've already discovered vwvortex.com.

 

enjoy your car, whichever you choose. but,
1. as usual, don't trust a car salesman. he won't lose his job if your maintenance costs are greater than advertised.
2. an 06 model year car is about 2 calendar years old, and by no means old enough to come up with significant problems.
3. if you're considering spending the money on a GTI (new) you really really should consider a used evo 8. but we're definitely creeping up and up on the price scale here.

finally, i don't even own a fit. i've test driven one at most. but i have a pretty decent feel on a good range of VW/audi and i just could not recommend one in good conscience. but i genuinely hope that the GTI you end up getting is as problem free as a modern car should be.

 

I like the car...


YouTube - Fifth gear DSG review


ajjajaja. but...welll... i have to wait 6 years for sell my car and in me next car.. more near to the best semi-automatic transmission that i can paid.

 

a chipped gti would put A LOT more than just 215 tq and 230 hp to the wheels. it puts around 195 and 187 respecitvely to the wheels stock!

 

If you get one of the "good" MkV GTIs built when the workers were paying attention and chip it, I will be highly envious! :D I just couldn't take the gamble on MkV after getting stuck taking the bus to work so many days with my Mk4. I am waiting for improved Mk6 design they are promising. Chipped GTI probably throws down ~240 whp. It's been a while since i cruised vw vortex, so I don't remember exactly.

 

This can be possibly in the honda fit? i make a search in ebay about ´perforance chip for honda fit´ and found some chip that offer more than 25,30,35,40 or 50 HP!!!!

im planning to buy one for see if this is true.

 

dunno what reports you've read, but the mkV IS the 'big improvment'. the mk6 is a much less drastic change. Its mostly just to tackle manufacturing costs.

 

the apr reflash is supposed to be undetectable by the dealer, but i guess if they purposely reflashed it, then there would be a problem. of course, one should give reason for the dealer to think it was reflashed. (do they have huge exhausts or wing spoliers? i thought it was time to 'un pimp ze auto'! {which by the way is like the coolest car commerical in the world})


when it comes down to it, if you are planning to mod anything, general consensus is that you really don't care for warranties, hence why you are 'modding'.

 

this post is interesting...i have a question for you. Have YOU ever driven a mkV? because after being an owner of both it and a fit, i can throughly attest that the rabbit handled bumps and road imperfections worlds better than the fit, while still being athletic if not AS althetic as the fit.

now if your experience lies with mkIV vw's, ok then. because those were all shod with torsion beam rear suspensions too, whereas the mkV's have moved on to a multilink independent rear, which is where the big improvment lies. The gaps on my mk5 were super tight and actually superior to that of my 06 civic.

its kinda unfair to call the gti out on its requirement of premium fuel; honda makes you do the same thing for the si!


and what car doesn't start to feel like it looses its 'luxury' or overall feeling of 'niceness' and 'performance' after you have owned it for awhile? it never feels like it did when you first had it, but that doesn't mean that its not going to feel as sharp on its toes as it always did. Age affects everything.