Eh. Its just a friendly conversation between two people with opposing view points is all.

As far as TRD's after market support, im going to counter my Toyota FTW argument lol.

TRD in the late 80's to mid 90's had a lot more available as far as performance parts then they do today (looking at a catalog of parts for a AW11 as apposed to what was available for ZZW30 is kinda of sad)

 

lol, ouch! if you fix 'em 2-3 times a year, they'll last at least 7-8 years... :D

 

I think we're staying fairly civil here.

The really funny part about Toyota gunning for young adults with Scion is that the vast majority of them that I see are being driven by adults over 60. I think the bulk of the options and parts offered are a joke, and I would not be surprised if they do not sell particularly well. Despite Toyota's desires, people buy Scions because they are a good deal and run well, not because they are cool or customizable.

 

The point was that these are not Toyota-run programs, and that the company's motorsport interests are pretty low. I'm still chuckling at the notion of calling a RWD tube frame dragster a "Solara". It's just a shell used to make it look somewhat like a street car.

I have recently read that it is their goal to make the podium some time next year and get a win within three. That's pretty modest, but decidedly not leaving the sport.


I'd probably buy one the day it came out. I don't have anything against Toyota, I just think that their current offerings are a joke for anyone interested in actually driving.


I could just as easily claim you're missing my point. I'm saying that installing a turbo doesn't turn a family cruiser into a sports car and using suitably ridiculous statement to illustrate it.


So Toyota's soul is made up of a bunch of dorks sitting in a parking lot with lighting kits and disco balls in their Echo wagons, talking about their cars can keep up with an Elise? That's what I heard the last time I listened to a Toyota enthusiast.

 

IMO i don't really like Scions too much, They dont have that "I want it" look :D

 

touché













Im not saying it makes them sports cars, just kinda going with my soul of the company[/quote]





You Can't really use the ricers as the whats par for Toyota guys, Kinda like the most of the 240 owners you run into on the street, who have seen Tokyo Drift one to many times, do not represent the real Nissan crowd.


I'm not really trying to argue that the current line up "is not boring" believe me I am not completely blind. What im saying is Toyota owners are find ways to keep the spark alive until Toyota brings back something fun, which they are working on. Maybe i am holding on to sinking ship, but there are still plenty of Aw11 for me to destroy in the mean time.

 

Nice thread. I've gotta admit - even though this thread's deviated into the merits or lack of Toyota racing, I'm VERY impressed people aren't flaming each other as if we're all in our early teens. And this is a Honda forum, too!

Going back to the original topic, I'm in the same boat of trying to decide between a 2008 xB and a Fit. I've driven the Fit, and I really like it as it brought back great memories of my dad's '90 Civic. However, I've got 3 concerns which the xB feels like it's got covered:

1) Cargo-carrying. I regularly take kids to/from camps and retreats along with their gear - duffel/roller bags, backpacks, laundry, and guitars. While the Fit's got pretty good vertical space, I'm afraid of not being able to cart 3 kids with all their stuff up/down the Santa Cruz mountains.

2) Rear-seat comfort/stability. Sure, the rear seats can recline, but in no way are they laterally supportive. One of my friends drove 4 of us in his Fit to a wedding, and I got the back seat. It was a NIGHTMARE going from turn to turn. I can't imagine what taking road trips would be like, either.

3) Crash-worthiness. While the Fit's got the side curtains, the xB's rear passengers receive side curtains, height and more sheet metal. This came to mind today as I was crossing the Bay Bridge in my brother's Impreza; an SUV nearly side-swiped me when we were getting into the same lane. I can't imagine how that might have turned out if I was driving a Fit.

I'm sure you combine my first two concerns to create a fourth one; carrying cargo & 3 passengers comfortably. Is that even a possibility? Might be so in an xB.

Oh, BTW - I like both in terms of design. the new xB is a bit bulldog-ish/Cars-the-movie-like, but it's got that micro-Hummer appeal to it (although I think placement of the reverse light on the bumper was the stupidest thing conceived).