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Old 02-19-2008, 09:33 AM
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It's Official Now: HD-DVD is Dead

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Hi-def battle ends as Toshiba quits HD DVD

TOKYO - Toshiba said Tuesday it will no longer develop, make or market HD DVD players and recorders, handing a victory to rival Blu-ray disc technology in the format battle for next-generation video.

"We concluded that a swift decision would be best," Toshiba President Atsutoshi Nishida told reporters at his company's Tokyo offices.

The move would make Blu-ray — backed by Sony Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., which makes Panasonic brand products, and five major Hollywood movie studios — the winner in the battle over high-definition DVD formatting that began several years ago.
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Nishida said last month's decision by Warner Bros. Entertainment to release movie discs only in the Blu-ray format made the move inevitable.

"That had tremendous impact," he said. "If we had continued, that would have created problems for consumers, and we simply had no chance to win."

Warner joined Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Co. and News Corp.'s Twentieth Century Fox in that move.

1 million own defunct players

Nishida said his company had confidence in HD DVD as a technology and tried to assure the estimated 1 million people, including some 600,000 people in North America, who already bought HD DVD machines by promising that Toshiba will continue to provide product support for the technology.

Both HD DVD and Blu-ray deliver crisp, clear high-definition pictures and sound, which are more detailed and vivid than existing video technology. They are incompatible with each other, and neither plays on older DVD players. But both formats play on high-definition TVs.

HD DVD was touted as being cheaper because it was more similar to previous video technology, while Blu-ray boasted bigger recording capacity.

Only one video format has been expected to emerge as the victor, much like VHS trumped Sony's Betamax in the video format battle of the 1980s.

Nishida said it was still uncertain what will happen with the Hollywood studios that signed to produce HD DVD movies, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation.

Shipments to end by March

Toshiba's pulling the plug on the technology is expected to reduce the number of new high-definition movies that people will be able to watch on HD DVD machines. Toshiba Corp. said shipments of HD DVD machines to retailers will be reduced and will stop by end of March.

Sales in Blu-ray gadgets are now likely to pick up as consumers had held off in investing in the latest recorders and players because they didn't know which format would emerge dominant.

Despite being a possible blow to Toshiba's pride, the exit will probably lessen the potential damage in losses in HD DVD operations. Goldman Sachs has said pulling out would improve Toshiba's profitability between $370 million-$460 million a year.

The reasons behind Blu-ray's triumph over HD DVD are complex, as marketing, management maneuvers and other factors are believed to have played into the shift to Blu-ray's favor that became more decisive during the critical holiday shopping season.

Wave of defections

Once the balance starts tilting in favor of one in a format battle, then the domination tends to grow and become final, said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at Daiwa Institute of Research in Tokyo.

"The trend became decisive I think this year," he said. "When Warner made its decision, it was basically over."

With movie studios increasingly lining up behind Blu-ray, retailers also began to stock more Blu-ray products.
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Friday's decision by Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest U.S. retailer, to sell only Blu-ray DVDs and hardware appeared to deal a final blow to the Toshiba format. Just five days earlier, Netflix Inc. said it will cease carrying rentals in HD DVD.

Several major American retailers had already made similar decisions, including Target Corp. and Blockbuster Inc.

Also adding to Blu-ray's momentum was the gradual increase in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 home video-game console, which also works as a Blu-ray player. Sony has sold 10.5 million PS3 machines worldwide since the machine went on sale late 2006.

HD DVD supporters included Microsoft Corp., Intel Corp. and Japanese electronics maker NEC Corp.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 game machine can play HD DVD movies, but the drive had to be bought separately, and Nishida said about 300,000 people have those.

Worldwide sales of personal computers with HD DVD drives total about 300,000 worldwide, including 140,000 in North America and 130,000 in Europe, he said.

Toshiba to concentrate on flash memory

Recently, the Blu-ray disc format has been gaining market share, especially in Japan. A study on fourth quarter sales last year by market researcher BCN Inc. found that by unit volume, Blu-ray made up 96 percent of Japanese sales.

Sony said it did not have numbers on how many Blu-ray players had been sold globally.

Toshiba's stock slipped 0.6 percent Tuesday to 824 yen after jumping 5.7 percent Monday amid reports that a decision was imminent. Sony shares climbed 2.2 percent to 5,010 yen after rising 1 percent Monday.

Also Tuesday, Toshiba said it plans to spend more than 15.7 billion for two plants in Japan to produce sophisticated chips called NAND flash memory, which are used in portable music players and cell phones. Production there will start in 2010.
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:22 PM
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Sucks to be that guy I saw buying one of those HD-DVD players at Best Buy yesterday.
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HapaLynai
Sucks to be that guy I saw buying one of those HD-DVD players at Best Buy yesterday.
Are you seriuos?? What a tard. Someone didnt do their homework.
Blu Ray for the the win, they are awesome!

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:53 PM
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another one bites the dust. this is kinda like when VHS took the other format out right? what was that other one called?
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:00 PM
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Weeee PS3 here I come.
 
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Weeee PS3 here I come.
Haha im with ya there. I bought a PS3 the day they came out and waited for 5 hours for it. Opened it, played with it for a week and played a few blu ray dvds which was AWESOME! Then i saw i could make money off of it and sold for 250$ over what i payed! Im getting another one soon though.

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Old 02-20-2008, 07:24 PM
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lol im so happy i ddnt buy that god damn HDDVD player for my 360 lol
 
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the only movie i have for bluray is 300 and it looks better than it did in the movie theater.
 
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maybe I am just playing Devils advocate...

but I F#cking hate Sony and their stupid proprietary software These guys are just looking to cash in at our expense, finally one of their dumb ass schemes has ended up in their favor.

Buy a Sony camera... guess what, you can't use a generic SD card... you need the Sony memory card that costs at least twice as much

Buy a Sony Music player... same problem, now you need an expensive Sony memory stick!

Buy a Sony whatever they control the entire accessories market for that product even if the whole world uses a common universal format. Remember BETAMAX, sure great product... but again.... only for Sony and it cost so much people just started using VHS anyway.

Seriously, these guys are worse than Apple, Rambus, or the guys who tried to patent the human DNA sequence. They are going to cash in BIG time with the Blue Ray discs, royalties galore! Guaranteed that in the long run we will be paying twice what we used to pay for movies just because Sony and it's partners are going to be hitting up every purchase for a few dollars.

Anyway, that is my Rant.
 

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i wonder when sony's patent on bluray runs out? sony makes great products but they are money hungry. i mean, you can say the same about any corporation that deals in technology though.
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:41 PM
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I gave up on the blue ray/hd dvd thing before they even started comming out. This kind of reminds me of the sony mini disk players that came out and then out of no where they were done and who ever had one was screwed. My buddy bought one when they came out and then had to buy a mini disk deck for his car and then a bunch of special cables to listen to it through his home stereo. After all that was done and he could actually use the damn thing they stopped them. haha. He was pissed. LOL!!
 
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I would have swore that HD-DVD would win out for the simple fact that porn is available in that format and not in Blu-ray.
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:07 PM
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I've heard it said that was what decided the winner in the VHS/Betamax war.


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I would have swore that HD-DVD would win out for the simple fact that porn is available in that format and not in Blu-ray.
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:17 PM
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^ never knew that....this war was more industrial rather then the consumer ...like the VHS and BetaMax where vhs was offer better price and still offer great picture and that what also drove the vhs to win the war...yea beta offer much better picture but it was $$$$...same go here w/ HD and Blu..where HD offer great price and great picture...and had great sale in the market, but lost to Blu.....
 
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jdjohnson9
I gave up on the blue ray/hd dvd thing before they even started comming out. This kind of reminds me of the sony mini disk players that came out and then out of no where they were done and who ever had one was screwed. My buddy bought one when they came out and then had to buy a mini disk deck for his car and then a bunch of special cables to listen to it through his home stereo. After all that was done and he could actually use the damn thing they stopped them. haha. He was pissed. LOL!!
lol, I totally forgot about the mini-disk era! Yeah I had a few friends that bought into them as well and got screwed. I laughed, that was right around the same time burning CD's became attainable to the average joe

Too bad for the 1 million people that bought HD-DVD players, those things aren't exactly cheap. I see class action law-suites coming

Originally Posted by azncarbos
^ never knew that....this war was more industrial rather then the consumer ...like the VHS and BetaMax where vhs was offer better price and still offer great picture and that what also drove the vhs to win the war...yea beta offer much better picture but it was $$$$...same go here w/ HD and Blu..where HD offer great price and great picture...and had great sale in the market, but lost to Blu.....
I think HD-DVD should have won the war... good picture and good price, plus as a universal format everybody could have used it. The difference this time around was Walmart and other big name companies backed up Sony (If I had to guess I would say because Sony has some kick backs for them). Corporations helping Corporations screw hard working citizens Gotta love it
 

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:14 PM
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I heard and read from several sources that Sony was handing out $500 million incentive checks to mega-corps and movie studios if they would choose Bluray exclusively.
 
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the ps3 came with blu-ray built in, and xbox360 didnt. so that helped blu-ray sell a ton players. and i think blu-ray has more storage capacity? might be wrong lol
 
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Originally Posted by x1alpha04
the ps3 came with blu-ray built in, and xbox360 didnt. so that helped blu-ray sell a ton players. and i think blu-ray has more storage capacity? might be wrong lol
Still that is Sony helping Sony, everything that has lead to the win of "Blu-Ray" is basically an engineered plot by Sony Talk about a consipiracy!

I heard and read from several sources that Sony was handing out $500 million incentive checks to mega-corps and movie studios if they would choose Bluray exclusively.
lol, when you can't win a fair match... cheat All's fair in corperate wars. That is just the visible money, imagine how much they threw at people behind the scenes. I do gotta hand it to them, they really went above and beyond to win this one... all the money they handed out they will get back in no time.
 
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugarphreak
Still that is Sony helping Sony, everything that has lead to the win of "Blu-Ray" is basically an engineered plot by Sony Talk about a consipiracy!



lol, when you can't win a fair match... cheat All's fair in corperate wars. That is just the visible money, imagine how much they threw at people behind the scenes. I do gotta hand it to them, they really went above and beyond to win this one... all the money they handed out they will get back in no time.
Forget Sony. Im gonna boycot them. I usually buy other brands anyway but now im gonna have to watch even more cause i know Sony has there hands in other companies aswell. As long as the regular DVD is good adn stays alive then i am safe.
 
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:50 AM
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Even if Sony bribed the studios, wasn't the blu-ray players and movies outselling hd-dvd? Anyways, I'm glad that is over so I can finally get buy an HDTV and a blu ray player. I always wanted to start a movie collection but I hate how DVDs get scratches easily like CDs and I like what I've read about that anti-scratch stuff they put on blu ray discs.......would like to wait until I can download HD movies but that's probably a decade or more away from actually happening.
 

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