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Old 03-19-2013 | 01:11 PM
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Ha, well if we're going to get idealistic, we need to get off the gssoline high horse and go for diesel.

As a counter argument, a lot of owners and cars in china have converted their cars to compressed lng which is even less energy dense. Why? Because its cheaper per mile. That's the final number people care sbout.

Give us a 3 cylinder 800cc compound turbo diesel built like a brick shit-house and you can have your cake and eat it to.

Power when you want it, great fuel economy when you don't.
 
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Old 03-21-2013 | 01:41 AM
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My buddy ended up with a CNG vehicle almost by accident. Lucky stiff . To bad it was a Ford probe. But hey, I'll take it !
 
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Old 03-21-2013 | 12:48 PM
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The problem with CNG vehicles around here is CNG's limited availability. We had only two stations in our 3 county area. They are at tow Gas company garage locations BUT do sell to the public. You have to have an open account with them and it is self service. When you are done you write your account and amount on a clip board and once a month they send you a bill. The gas company use to also have their own CNG vehicles but they phased them out a few years back after the government dropped the incentives on GNG motor fuel.
 
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Old 03-21-2013 | 02:32 PM
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So, CNGs kind of a looser now. That's good to know. And kudos to the 800cc Twin turbo idea. But nhaaa.. that makes to much sense.
 
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Old 03-21-2013 | 11:12 PM
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I do not think it is a loser now. Just is some parts of the country it is hard to find. In others it is readily available. CNG here is sold in Gasoline Gallon Equivalent. So you buy "one gallon" of energy for about 1/3 of the price of regular gasoline. It really is a good deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
 
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Old 03-22-2013 | 12:43 AM
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But will it do the same job as a gallon of gasoline ? Or near the same job ?
 
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Old 03-22-2013 | 07:08 AM
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It is suppose to. That is why it is sold in GGE. The amount of energy is the same in BTUs as one gallon of non-adulterated (non-ethanol) gasoline.

I have a pilot friend with one and he loves it. The local "gas" station is just down the street from my hangar at the airport. Another pilot here also has a full size van running on CNG.

I have never used CNG and have only driven his CNG car for a few miles. So all of my knowledge is second hand.

You do loose some trunk space since the gas tank has to go somewhere.
 

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Old 03-22-2013 | 11:00 PM
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I'd go for it if it was cost effective for me. I hear your car is just a bit more sluggish on CNG. What does GGE mean ? something gallon equivelant ?
 
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Old 03-22-2013 | 11:59 PM
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Gasoline Gallon Equivalent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
Gasoline gallon equivalent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is not the whole story but it is close enough unless you are trying to tune an engine to get every last mpg or slightly extra performance out of it.
 
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Old 03-26-2013 | 05:29 AM
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Blame Ethanol

Find it curious that the EPA can declare E15 OK for 2012 Hondas while the manufacturer specifies no more than 10%. So then when you have trouble from using the 15% does the EPA cover the damages when Honda won't?

Does the EPA use specify straight gasoline for it's published, and often way off, estimated mileage numbers?
 
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