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Old 08-31-2008 | 03:39 AM
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Brake pad dead at 20,000 mi?

My inside left front brake pad on my 07 sport automatic was down to where the wear sensor was almost touching. And since the wear was so lopsided the caliper was touching the rotor (terrible noise- worse than a wear sensor ) Dealer said "uneven pad wear is common on the '07-08 Fit and not covered by warranty". They showed me a factory blurb that basicly said that unless the caliper is stuck we're on our own!
The other 3 pads are about 50% or less worn.
Has anyone else had this problem and have you found a fix for it?
 

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Old 08-31-2008 | 03:55 AM
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automatic transmission or manual transmission?
 
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Old 08-31-2008 | 09:46 AM
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Old 08-31-2008 | 10:59 AM
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um it maybe common but should still be adressed by the dealer... tht sounds like a warranty item to me... try calling hondas corperate ofice
 
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Old 08-31-2008 | 12:12 PM
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If it's that lopsided a caliper slide HAS to be stuck.

How are the boots on the slides?
 
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Old 09-01-2008 | 03:39 AM
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Thanks. Replys: 1) its an 07 white sport auto. 2) got a # for corporate? 3) the caliper was not stuck when I took it apart to replace the pads, but the dealers tech had had it apart already. The boots look fine. ( how am i doing as a total tech newbie? I'm not a newbie to Honda.... 73 Civic..83 Accord..93 Accord..05 Accord[big quiet & no personality].I like my Fit much better! )
 
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Old 09-03-2008 | 02:06 AM
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Thanks for the input. I replaced the oem pads with the " adaptive" pads from NAPA. They have different formulations on the inner & outer pads and are supposed to combine the advantages of simi metalic & ceramic. Or its a big song & dance so they can charge more than double. Time will tell & Ill try to keep you updated.















































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Old 09-03-2008 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by put-put
My inside left front brake pad on my 07 sport automatic was down to where the wear sensor was almost touching. And since the wear was so lopsided the caliper was touching the rotor (terrible noise- worse than a wear sensor ) Dealer said "uneven pad wear is common on the '07-08 Fit and not covered by warranty". They showed me a factory blurb that basicly said that unless the caliper is stuck we're on our own!
The other 3 pads are about 50% or less worn.
Has anyone else had this problem and have you found a fix for it?


It sounds more like improper initial installatio to me. If the caliper was bolted to the frame squarely and the pad was worn slanted to the caliper but parallel to the disc the problem almost has to be the backplate was too wide for the caliper cavity (wrong pad) or got 'cocked' when installed.In that case your pad wear would be high and cratered as well as you would get much poorer gas mileage. See if you can see marks on the backplate where the piston pressed against the backplate. If its on a corner the pad was cocked in the cavity. Also check the 'old' pad to see if there is a surface defect on the piston side of the backplate that would cause the pad to 'rotate' when pressed by the piston. (we have seen that on another car. A rock trapped in the piston cup)
If the cup indentation is not even you could have a irregular piston bore or pressure relief difficulty that let the pad stay in contact with the rotor after brake release, which also could lead to cocked pad when finally retracting.

In any case unless you can prove the brake has not been 'opened', the dealer doesn't have to warranty. If its a 'bad' baxckplate, or bad pad material (cured one side, not cured other side) i.e. was the wear surface even and smooth? or bad piston contact surface, i.e. cup not parallel to the disc, its yours. check that by substituting a wooden smooth and good bar for the pad and check the indentation from a brake test - not moving of course.

Good luck. And keep a close inspection on the 'replacement'.
 
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Old 09-03-2008 | 11:51 AM
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is it me or does the brakes on the jazz/fit seem a bit weak.. mine r very spongey and dead.. i have just bought a set of dixcel pads, hope this sorts the problem...
 
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Old 01-12-2009 | 06:18 PM
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Same problem here: inside left brake pad wear

My Fit needed new pads at 29,000 mi only because the inside left was totally worn...all other 3 pads were at about 50%. The dealership refuses to accept that it is a design flaw.

Sounds like we have a design flaw here that corporate needs to fess up to with a recall/TSB or whatever.

The pads should be much closer to the same wear than this.
 
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Old 01-12-2009 | 09:52 PM
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Just a brief thought, with no offense intended. The problem cited by two posters was the left front pad prematurely wearing out. The Fit is a very light automobile. Is it possible that in both cases, the driver was a very heavy individual, and that perhaps put excessive wear on the left front pad? I will confess that I currently weight a bit over 200, and for many years (ending about 1993) I was 250+, but never had odd wear on left front brake.
 
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Old 01-13-2009 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailordanh
My Fit needed new pads at 29,000 mi only because the inside left was totally worn...all other 3 pads were at about 50%. The dealership refuses to accept that it is a design flaw.

Sounds like we have a design flaw here that corporate needs to fess up to with a recall/TSB or whatever.

The pads should be much closer to the same wear than this.

We saw this on a Fit that camne in here with left front brake wearing out. The solution was to R&R the caliper piston which was hanging up in the extended position..
Again, I say keep a close eye on the brake pad; if it shows significant wear more than the left outside then you should go back to the dealer.
Driver characteristics have little to do with wear patterns inside and outside the same caliper. The inside is the piston side and that means either the inside pad is the major contacting pad or it is hanging up dragging on the rotor. (that usually results in reduced mpg).
 
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Old 01-13-2009 | 08:54 AM
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wtf is R&R?
 
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Old 01-13-2009 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by x98myers7
wtf is R&R?

You know what 'wtf' means but not "R&R"? your education is sadly lacking.

R&R means 'repair and replace' or 'remove and repair', depending on who you're speaking with in the auto industry.
 
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Old 01-13-2009 | 10:48 AM
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i have never heard anyone use "R&R" in any context other than "rest and relaxation"

whatever.

so, is the problem the piston size due to poor machining? what's the actual cause of the piston sticking?
 
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Old 01-13-2009 | 02:57 PM
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Old 01-13-2009 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by x98myers7
i have never heard anyone use "R&R" in any context other than "rest and relaxation"

whatever.

so, is the problem the piston size due to poor machining? what's the actual cause of the piston sticking?

The term R&R goes back to the nineteen twenties at least. Think it came from the railroads before that. Military picked it up in the Korean War for rest & relaxation, not unlike remove & repair.


We found a flat spot on the edge of the 'bad' piston; could have been a burr originally or a 'flat' from being dropped..
Trued it on our lathe with barest touch and it went back in nicely. Probably could have done as easily with a fine file and touch as the scribe didn't touch the piston anywhere but that one little spot.
Spot appears to be where a cutter would leave the piston; or could have been dropped (which is my choice).
Thought it might have screwed the outer wall but couldn't see anything so we reused it. Still working fine I guess. Hasn't been back anyway.
 
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Old 02-05-2009 | 05:59 PM
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I just wanted to point out that a similar issue seems to have been covered in a Honda ServiceNews bulletin dated January 2008.

Uneven Front Brake Pad Wear? Check for Overheating
Currently Applies To: ’07–08 Fits

The front brake pads on the Honda Fit are made from an environmentally friendly material that can wear unevenly when the pads get overheated. Left-foot braking and hard driving are prime contributors to overheated brake pads. Because the inner pad gets less airflow, it can’t give up heat as well, so it tends to wear faster than the outer pad would.

To check for overheated brake pads, just look at the painted edges of the friction material. Overheating sears the edges, making them look gray and burnt. Brake pads normally have edges that are black and match the painted steel pad backing material.
 
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Old 04-14-2009 | 11:38 AM
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i realize this thread is over 2 months old, but as a response to jelliotlevy, the backside of my left front brake pad has also worn excessively. i am the sole driver of the vehicle, and i weigh 110 lbs. it has nothing to do with the driver's weight.
 
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Old 04-14-2009 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jmac
i realize this thread is over 2 months old, but as a response to jelliotlevy, the backside of my left front brake pad has also worn excessively. i am the sole driver of the vehicle, and i weigh 110 lbs. it has nothing to do with the driver's weight.


There are good reasons beside riding the brake, etc why pad wear can be excessive.
The most prevalent one is a pad that is undercured. Brake material has to be cooked at high temperatures to cure the compound. Sometimes due to location in the oven or just improper formulation the pad doesn't cure. In that case it will wear quickly. And its not real easy to tell if the pad isn't 'fired'.
There are other reasons such as a piston sticking in the bore so the pad never fully backs away from the rotor. And often there isn't enough drag to cause the car to drift off-center.
When you replace the pads, see if the pisto pushes smoothly back into the caliper. Other than a caliper R&R all you can do is see if it occurs with the replacement; then go for caliper R&R if so.
Since its your inside front pad that wore, note that since most right-hand turns generate more force to push the pad against the rotorthat could be the cause. Thats a lot harder to fix. Cross that bridge last.
 
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