very possible... for him.

I on the other hand have driven a ton of MT's
And I had the inexperience problem long, long ago. (k...maybe just long ago hahaa, im not 30 yet )

I really do need to take it in to the dealer though, as I heard a new and very annoying sound (electronic Whistle) coming from the engine, it increases as the RPM rises. It Now happens when the car is a bit cold and goes for a little while. I will see if it continues today (probably not tranny related but I had to get it out of my system on here)

 

during the test drive i didn't shift too smoothly, but i thought it was the easiest transmission i've ever shifted... and i was smoother than the salesman according to my girlfriend.

maybe it's just because i drive a subaru, which is like cleaning a fully automatic carbine rifle everytime you want to shift.

 

So here's the challenge, for 2008 MT Fit owners on here.

1) Get you car w/ eng hot and rev the eng to 3000 RPM's and hold it.
2) Now lift off the gas and watch how long the RPM's take to fall.
How long did it take before it started dropping?

On a car with a conventional throttle cable, it's instantaneous. On mine, it has notable delay on this test. I'd est 1/2 sec.

Worse yet and what I originally described
1) Accelerate and an easy pace and watch how long the RPM's hang when you have already put the tranny in the next gear, your off the gas and are ready to drop the clutch.
How long did it take. Mine is around 1 sec


It's possible I have the only Fit that does this, but being a controls engineer in real life, my guess is it's as designed like that and most other drivers just failed to recognize that or correlate it to the crappy shifting it can cause. Others are in denial

A word of explanation. The Throttle valve in our Fits "control by wire" is essentially a limited rotation motor being controlled by a program in the ECU. The gas peddle has a sensor that goes into the ECU and tells the program to open or close the throttle. To make that work, it has to be tuned so the motion is stable. If too fast it will over shoot and cause issue. if too slow it will have lag, as I have identified. Part of the programing takes into account the load on the engine. I do not have the details of the Honda Fit throttle by wire and this is how most work. Most use a "servo loop" and some use a vacuum servo, but there's no need to get into that detail.

I'll be interested to see if anyone is up to the challenge.

 

Guess someone's going to take there toys and go home now.

Here read what I found.
Same issue.

A design issue for sure.....

2006 Honda Civic - Test drive and new car review - 2006 Honda Civic

more

Honda Civic 2006+ Drive By Wire Programming - CarSpace Automotive Forums

get the idea
Honda Civic EX | The Truth About Cars

WOW check this out. It's worse than I thought
Honda Drive By Wire Amendment Petition

Fit has this issue, trust me......

 

okay it is now going away... at first i was just driving like it was cable gas and now it is getting better.... just takes some regulr driving

 

Nah, I'm still here -- just at work and with the crappy weather out I haven't driven my car for the last few days, so no chance to try it.

Still, from the test you mention, what you're referring to is a bit different than what I originally thought you were saying -- I thought you meant throttle response to input while in gear, not the rev-hang when the engine revs freely. Rev-hang there is a bit of, and it's not a design flaw as much as it's there for emissions purposes. There are a number of older threads on here mentioning it.

In any case, I'll try the challenge when I drive my car next. It might not be fair though only b/c I've got a catback and intake and most definitely the response from adding those has changed noticeably since it was stock. We'll try it though just the same. More than likely, it may still be there, but after 2 yrs I'm used to it and compensate accordingly w/o thinking about it.

 

I will try this later but I dont see it proving anything to me, as thats not really where I have my particular problem... but I will post later anyway.

I did however notice in one of your links this quote-
" Many of the younger drivers who have the energy, know-how, and sense have smartly converted their 8th Generation Civic Si DBW system to a conventional cable setup."
some random 50 yr old guy said it ^^^
interesting thought though.


really? I have not heard of this....I would think it would like undermine half of what all the electronics are doing. I know some of the other Fits made are not DBW, but are cable instead....so maybe there is a way...but man sure doesnt sound like its worth it....although it sounds nice.

 

fit transmission sucks =P enough said.

 

as far as i understand, there are a few points that make this shift transition thing bad to me:

1)when you rev freely, and instantly let off the throttle, the dbw and ecu tells the car to run a few more revs before dropping the rpm's because that way, the car makes sure to burn off any excessive gas left inside, hence increasing emissions efficiency. its far from a flaw - in an emmisions standpoint.

2)hydraulic clutch system (please someone confirm if this is the design of our clutch system)
=not progressive bite

3)the shifter is soo good and direct compared to the rest of the system it makes you fell the rest of the transition is sluggish

to let you know where i'm coming from, i've worked at toyota, hyundai, nissan, infinity, and lexus, and had a chance to throughly drive most of the cars, and even though this whole drive by wire / hydro(plz confirm) clutch is not bad, its not the best to say the least
and trust me - u think this is bad - try the new lexus is250 manual

 

Batman - you are 100% right on. The shifter in the Fit is the best I've ever had, which is amazing considering the MSRP. I've had several M/T Nissans, 200sx SE-R, driven Corvettes, Camaros, DSM's, etc. and the Fit's shifter is still better than all.

The only thing that is as good or rivals it in my opinion is the 350Z.

 

i had the same thought when i test drove the car
but meh i got used to it
can sum1 explain how the reving thing works
what i mean is when you WOT then clutch it stays revved for a split second
until you engage the next gear
how does that work becuase i know the 06-08 SI's do the same thing and i thought it was a heavy flywheel or seomthing

 

for those that are getting abrupt engagements pull your seat up closer
to the pedals by one click and see if that helps.

sometimes i do that when im wearing thin sole shoes to find the
clutch's sweet spot.