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Old 02-18-2008 | 11:22 PM
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Piotr303's response takes the cake. Is that like women being like a frying pans...about having to heat them up before putting the meat in?

I think the Fit shifts just fine for me, but I do agree there is some getting used to the drive by wire throttle that needs to happen.
 
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Old 02-19-2008 | 11:58 PM
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i am actually looking into a pair of piloti slip on shoes

Piloti - Strasse

just for driving ... reasons... 1. better driving 2. cleaner interior 3. looks cool
 
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Old 02-20-2008 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by randomracer
i am actually looking into a pair of piloti slip on shoes

Piloti - Strasse

just for driving ... reasons... 1. better driving 2. cleaner interior 3. looks cool
when/if you get them (if you could/like) please tell me how you like them, I have the prototipo's and I love them, but there are others that I would like to sport as well.
 
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Old 02-20-2008 | 03:50 AM
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woah...well my impressions after driving half a year in my 07 is that the Fit has an easy going clutch. let's take a step back, the fit was never meant to be sophisticated. so having that in mind, i'd recommend shifting just roughly at 3k rpm giving it a little gas to smooth out the transition. the gear ration from 1- 2 is just poorly carried out, took me a long time to get used to that. drive by wire is another story
 
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Old 02-20-2008 | 08:35 AM
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also remember that if the a/c compressor kicks in during your shift
(when you're pausing for the flywheel spin down) it will drop the
flywheel's momentum abruptly and cause a bumpy engagement
unless you got enough throttle to keep the flywheel momentum
going. it's kind of a burden on your right foot.

dont feel obligated that you HAVE to have a seamless shift each
and every time. rather concentrate more on propelling the car
forward at the optimum rpm's and enjoy your ride.
 
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Old 02-20-2008 | 07:03 PM
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i enjoy driving my car ...(and ill post about the shoes when i get them) but my pride was hurt a little when my gf just out of no where said i was getting sloppy
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 03:27 AM
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My Fit tends to surge/hesitate when first starting it up on the first 1st to 2nd to 3rd shifts.
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by storm88000
My Fit tends to surge/hesitate when first starting it up on the first 1st to 2nd to 3rd shifts.
Not sure about the hesitate, but the surge is the POORLY designed throttle by wire design Honda gave us. It has almost 1 second of lag from any step change and that shows up big time when shifting. In any gear on mine with rpm's increasing (even at the slowest rate of acceleration), when I start the shift by unload the engine and the gas the RPM's will surge up 200. Really sucks. The delay is not as bad on the decreasing RPM but still present.

I found short shifting at 2000 to 2500 seems to result in the best work around for this defect.

If you get in the next gear and let out on the clutch while the RPM's are still up (because of the delay and surge) it will result in too high of an RPM for that next gear. With a normal throttle, when you lift, the RPM's will drop like a rock and it better matches the next gears RPM needs.

Thanks HONDA

I guess ownership has it's surprises.
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:13 PM
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I think that Fit has good transmision, no problems with fast shifting for me. Even shifting with the half clutch and full gas in no problem, reductions works well ( I like when tires make loud squilk while shifting to a second gear, Fit kiks forward very well ) To shift fast to a next gear, in Fit takes less than second ! I will post a video soon, when it gets a little wormer in chicago, how Fit can accelerate with half clutch shifting and full gas. I let you know when video is done
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:27 PM
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I'm assuming you are old enough to know that speed/power shifting will significantly decrease the life of your gear box?

I agree, if money and no car down time is of little concern, BANG the heck out of it it's fun.
Nothing like rowing the gears in a 18sec sub compact...lol
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:33 PM
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Yes shifting like this is a huge preasure for gearbox, engine, clutch but sometimes it is worth. 3 years in rally club, I know how much power shifting cost.
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:40 PM
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OK Cool Just wanted to make sure..Have fun.

My other car is a 4 link dragster that runs 7.13@ 182
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:45 PM
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OK now I ask You a question that everyone Fit owner would ask You. How many miles can Your drugster go per gallon ? By the way how costly is to own a dragster? and I dont wont to know how many HP your dragster has.
 
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Old 02-22-2008 | 06:59 PM
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OK now I ask You a question that everyone Fit owner would ask You. How many miles can Your drugster go per gallon ? By the way how costly is to own a dragster? and I dont wont to know how many HP your dragster has.
Hmmm feel like I'm being set up here for some reason, but what the hell, Game on


I use just about 1 gal of 100% methanol per 1/4 mile. I have a gas system called a primer plus in addition that I use to start, put heat in the engine as well as go to lanes. That system uses pump gas fuel, around 1/3 gal per run. Add it up.

Cost in this case is a relative number. I built my 15:1 565cid eng for around $10k + the Fuel system. If you picked up the phone and ordered an eng like this from one of the big shops it's will over $20k. The car was around $18k new rolling and painted. It's worth close to $35k as it sits if I wished to sell it. I only race it at a drag-strips and when cash is involved.
the 0-60mph time is around 1.1 seconds



 

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Old 02-22-2008 | 07:07 PM
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That is expensive toy, very expensive but sometimes it is worth to spend this $$. There must be a lot of G's on you while accelerating 1.1s from 0-60 wow.
 
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Old 02-25-2008 | 08:15 PM
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I have to say I felt my '85 RX-7 was way easier to shift smoothly. The Fit regularly annoys me with its very over-sensitive pedals. All three of them. It's like, about 95% of the actual "action" of the pedals happens in the first couple inches of movement, and all the rest of the pedal movement has almost no effect. It's not a very smooth progression whatsoever, and that bugs me. I've been driving since December and I still don't have a natural feel for it - I can shift quite smoothly actually, but it's not as "subconcious" and natural as I feel it really should be. I know every car is different, and I haven't driven very many MT vehicles, but it just feels like the pedals on the Fit were over-sensitized to make it seem faster and more responsive... :\
 
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Old 02-26-2008 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pcs0snq
Not sure about the hesitate, but the surge is the POORLY designed throttle by wire design Honda gave us. It has almost 1 second of lag from any step change and that shows up big time when shifting. In any gear on mine with rpm's increasing (even at the slowest rate of acceleration), when I start the shift by unload the engine and the gas the RPM's will surge up 200. Really sucks. The delay is not as bad on the decreasing RPM but still present.

I found short shifting at 2000 to 2500 seems to result in the best work around for this defect.

If you get in the next gear and let out on the clutch while the RPM's are still up (because of the delay and surge) it will result in too high of an RPM for that next gear. With a normal throttle, when you lift, the RPM's will drop like a rock and it better matches the next gears RPM needs.

Thanks HONDA

I guess ownership has it's surprises.
I hate to say it, but I have to disagree big time here with this. There is not a 1 sec lag w/ the Fit's DBW, not even close; if there was you wouldn't be able to drive the car at all. If your car is completely stock the delay you're feeling is more from the crappy OEM airbox and exhaust than anything else. Once I got rid of mine throttle response was noticeably improved and almost instantaneous now, especially when you get into the sweet spot around 4500-5k. As for the surge, that's more not being used to the car than anything else. I used to run into that in the first few months I had mine, but now never. I've had it for almost 2 years now and believe me, after the first few months there was no surge; it's more technique than anything else. And I'm not saying you suck at shifting, b/c obviously you've got experience, but the Fit does take a bit of getting used to, more than most cars it seems, and a lot of it is dealing with the exponentiality and logic built into the DBW setup. There is hope though -- Blitz and Pivot are debuting some DBW controllers for the new JDM Fit in March as it has DBW now. There's a good chance it may work on our cars too, so being able to tune the throttle response may be a very real possibilty in the not too distant future for us.
 
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Old 02-26-2008 | 06:42 AM
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Well I guess it's just mine. Easy to test, just do what I described above.
 

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Old 02-26-2008 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by necro2600
I have to say I felt my '85 RX-7 was way easier to shift smoothly. The Fit regularly annoys me with its very over-sensitive pedals. All three of them. It's like, about 95% of the actual "action" of the pedals happens in the first couple inches of movement, and all the rest of the pedal movement has almost no effect. It's not a very smooth progression whatsoever, and that bugs me. I've been driving since December and I still don't have a natural feel for it - I can shift quite smoothly actually, but it's not as "subconcious" and natural as I feel it really should be. I know every car is different, and I haven't driven very many MT vehicles, but it just feels like the pedals on the Fit were over-sensitized to make it seem faster and more responsive... :\
TRUE buddy TRUE
But but mix things up even more, I have noticed a huge sample variation
on our cars that throw a ton of other variables into the unfortunate mix
of things.
But other than that....SPOT ON BUDDY!
 
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Old 02-26-2008 | 04:49 PM
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>I haven't driven very many MT vehicles


there's your root cause. just drive and practice.
 


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