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Old 10-07-2007 | 03:53 PM
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How Much Interest in a Fit Diesel?

I was wondering how many of you would be interested in a diesel engine option for the Fit, especially in the US? Honda is bringing over the Accord Diesel, a 2.2 liter supposedly capable of 62mpg (likely more like 50mpg highway rating). The US market is about to see a boom in diesel powered vehicles over the next few years and I'd love to see Honda offer one in the Fit.
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 04:57 PM
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I would have gone with the diesel option if it was available.
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 05:30 PM
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I'd rather have a diesel option for the Civic instead.
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 08:58 PM
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I certainly wouldve gone for it. Most likely my next vehicle after my Fit will either be a diesel or a hybrid.
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 09:25 PM
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uck diesel, that smell and gross sound just for few extra miles a gallon? i think not
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by YazzFlute
uck diesel, that smell and gross sound just for few extra miles a gallon? i think not
You think this way, because you live in US. Diesel is very clean, quiet, and do not rumble in europe. Honda (nissan, and some small companies) are working on clean diesels, which has a catalyst analogous to the CVCC in the 1980s .


US gas stations also sell some of the lowest-standard diesel oil in the world. We recently have low sulfur diesels, but these are not recommended for trucks (or cars) going on highway.
 
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Old 10-07-2007 | 10:46 PM
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That would be awesome!
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by YazzFlute
uck diesel, that smell and gross sound just for few extra miles a gallon? i think not
It's not just a few extra MPG - under the same driving conditions, my ex 2001 VW Golf TDI used to get 47 MPG vs 38 for the Fit. The Golf was also a much heavier car. A diesel option in the Fit would be very desirable and should easily be able to achieve overall MPG ratings in the mid to high 50s.

Another welcome benefit would be the additional torque. Diesels are great - I love 'em!
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 01:06 AM
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It's not just a few extra MPG - under the same driving conditions, my ex 2001 VW Golf TDI used to get 47 MPG vs 38 for the Fit. The Golf was also a much heavier car. A diesel option in the Fit would be very desirable and should easily be able to achieve overall MPG ratings in the mid to high 50s.

Another welcome benefit would be the additional torque. Diesels are great - I love 'em!
Yep, modern diesels are a whole 'nother animal nowadays.

The torque would be great: snappier off the line, low RPM freeway cruising for a quieter ride, ...

In addition to the torque, most diesels today are turbodiesel with computer-controlled boost pressure maps. You know what that means... chip-tuning. A few hundred dollars worth of socketed ECU, software flash, or plugin module gets you gains that would cost thousands to get with a normally aspirated vehicle.

We'll see. Does Honda even offer a small diesel (turbo or otherwise) anywhere in the world? I don't know if I'd be willing to jump right into an entirely new engine line for the first couple years until any bugs got worked out.
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 04:08 AM
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Yep, modern diesels are a whole 'nother animal nowadays.

The torque would be great: snappier off the line, low RPM freeway cruising for a quieter ride, ...

In addition to the torque, most diesels today are turbodiesel with computer-controlled boost pressure maps. You know what that means... chip-tuning. A few hundred dollars worth of socketed ECU, software flash, or plugin module gets you gains that would cost thousands to get with a normally aspirated vehicle.

We'll see. Does Honda even offer a small diesel (turbo or otherwise) anywhere in the world? I don't know if I'd be willing to jump right into an entirely new engine line for the first couple years until any bugs got worked out.
Yes. In Europe they already offer the 2.2 (or 2.0 i forget) L CTDi engine in their accord (which is our acura). Its specs are 250lbft and 140hp. I think this is one of the highest horsepower diesel engines you can get, that other companies like VW lease the technology but rename it. I have to confirm it.

In the future, honda will have a clean burning version of this. Any diesels are way better than petrol for global warming/CO2 emisisons, but terrible for acid rain, lung cancer, etc. The clean diesel (if honda's scientists are successful, which I'm confident of) will have emissions very competitive with petroleum engine. Honda expects it to pass california emissions, which are the strictest in the world.

The merc Benz "clean diesel" engine, which uses urea tank which needs to be replaced every 10k miles, currently FAILS CA standars, which i'm not surprised since I always felt merc was not a technological leader (and I find their engineering inferior). The honda is superior because it's method does not have a reagent that gets used up such as in Merc's Bluetec which needs to be refilled every once in a while.
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 09:53 AM
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As a commuter vehicle, I'd be all over a Diesel engined Fit but I'm guessing it wouldn't be anywhere as fun as my 1.5L engine currently is.
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 10:38 AM
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I would have definitely got a diesel fit if it was available.
Are there any small displacement honda diesel engines currently in the market? Do any other countries get a diesel fit or similar platform?
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 11:14 AM
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Yes. In Europe they already offer the 2.2 (or 2.0 i forget) L CTDi engine in their accord (which is our acura). Its specs are 250lbft and 140hp. I think this is one of the highest horsepower diesel engines you can get, that other companies like VW lease the technology but rename it. I have to confirm it.
I think it's 2.2. I guess my concern is that a 2.x might not fit in the Fit. Usually diesels are smaller displacement than the gas engine offered in the same model, meaning a Fit would likely get a 1.2 liter diesel or something in that range. That might mean a new engine architecture from scratch.
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 11:55 AM
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Oh yes, I would have been all over a diesel option. However, this little 1.5 does pretty damn good for a gasser!

And Wave, as for fun factor...you've really got to drive a modern small turbo diesel man...they are very fun to drive now, just in a different way. My old Corrado that had a mildly modded TDI swapped into it could outrun the VR6 equipped Corrados no problem, only my buddies supercharged VR6 could beat it (and that was after about 100 mph). Torque is fun in a different way than revving the heck out of a gasser for the HP.
 
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Old 10-08-2007 | 10:15 PM
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I would in an instant.

I honestly wonder what one would be like with a decent CVT transmission?
 
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Old 10-09-2007 | 01:59 AM
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If Honda thought there would have been significant interest in a diesel model, they probably would have made one.
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 02:35 AM
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I have had my 08 MT Sport for only 5 days but I would trade it in for a diesel Fit the first chance I got.

If they build it, we will come.
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 02:57 AM
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YES!

I've been waiting for a company to bring over a modern diesel. I heard about VW's new diesel, but its in the jetta only so far. I would LOVE a diesel civic (the same hatchback thats in the UK would be amazing) but any small hatchback with the diesel would be amazing.
 
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Old 10-14-2007 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by txmatt
I think it's 2.2. I guess my concern is that a 2.x might not fit in the Fit. Usually diesels are smaller displacement than the gas engine offered in the same model, meaning a Fit would likely get a 1.2 liter diesel or something in that range. That might mean a new engine architecture from scratch.
In US that'd be hard to sell. The reason that 2.2 is so popular is it has 140hp, which is high for a diesel. US loves horsepower (not surprisingly, not understanding what horsepower is anyway). Even eco-drivers will not buy anything less than 100hp. a 1.2, which is feasible for old VWs are that displacement, may not have the horsepower to be marketable.
 
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Old 10-16-2007 | 11:47 PM
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In US that'd be hard to sell. The reason that 2.2 is so popular is it has 140hp, which is high for a diesel. US loves horsepower (not surprisingly, not understanding what horsepower is anyway). Even eco-drivers will not buy anything less than 100hp. a 1.2, which is feasible for old VWs are that displacement, may not have the horsepower to be marketable.
The US wants MPG now, not HP. The MPG was a large factor in my Fit purchase. HP was irrelevant.

My diesel Mercedes van has a 60 HP motor and gets 22 MPG. Neither had a factor in its sale. I just had to have it. Heh.
 



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