Towing with the Fit????
#45
Originally Posted by wyy183
Pulled just fine at 65 mph on the Interstate. Just as smooth as it could be! I did monitor my water temperature (I have a ScanGauge II) and going to get it my water temp was 179 degrees. Pulling the trailer, empty, it went up to 181 degrees. With the 4-wheeler on it, it went up to 183 degrees.
For reference, at idle, when stopped in town for traffic lights and such, it will go up to 204 degrees.
Very little difference!!
For reference, at idle, when stopped in town for traffic lights and such, it will go up to 204 degrees.
Very little difference!!
You might want to install a transsmission cooler though with that auto transmission.
Last edited by 2hot6ft2; 11-11-2006 at 10:11 PM.
#47
Originally Posted by vividjazz
Auto is preferable to manual for towing. In fact autos are often rated to tow heavier loads than the same car in manual.
This class of car can only tow a small box trailer. The Honda Jazz manual lists the maximum tow rate at 450kg or 992lb for both manual and auto 1.3L and 1.5L. Maximum load on the vehicle coupling is 70kg or 154lbs. If the trailer has its own brakes then it can tow more (up to 1,000kg or 2,205lbs).
Towing rates are the same wether the car is just carrying a driver or a full load. Low torque means small cars aren't ideal for towing. A diesel or V8 is made for the job.
This class of car can only tow a small box trailer. The Honda Jazz manual lists the maximum tow rate at 450kg or 992lb for both manual and auto 1.3L and 1.5L. Maximum load on the vehicle coupling is 70kg or 154lbs. If the trailer has its own brakes then it can tow more (up to 1,000kg or 2,205lbs).
Towing rates are the same wether the car is just carrying a driver or a full load. Low torque means small cars aren't ideal for towing. A diesel or V8 is made for the job.
Single axle & no trailer brakes. I'll have to pass on that going up and down the mountains around here. Don't like the idea of being pushed down hills with a trailer I can barely stop.
Not that I want to do it but it's nice to know it could. That would look
Nice job showed it could be done.
#49
Towing the Fit or Towing with the Fit
You're not the first to ask the question. So here's some anwers.
First is a list of existing threads scattered thru the forum so you can find what you're looking for.
Traler Hitches for bikes here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
This is a nice bike setup hitch here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...3&postcount=46
Another Bicycle Rack Thread here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Rear door bike carrier (actually talks more about roof racks) here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/general-fit-talk/2819-rear-door-bike-carrier.html
I think the Fit towing should start here in this thread. Can the Fit pull a trailer here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Especially this post (Great Find "Honda Jazz Tow Hitch").
https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/report.php?p=27553
Best Post on how much it can tow here.
I would suggest a transmission cooler for the AT.
So basically it can tow up to 2200lbs BUT! Can't stop it without help (trailer brakes) and the tounge weight is 154lbs.
and here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/report.php?p=27580
towing with U.S. Fit (Answered Above) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
it's Tow Capability here. (Answered above) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Towing a flat trailer w/ATV with a Fit here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Towing a Honda thread that went a little off by using AWD info from the Element as a how to but agree that a dolly for an auto, or a Manual Trans. are better for "Flat Towing". https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
The Gas Thread has information about hypermiling with an auto and manuals which is actually like (Flat Towing) for short periods. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ht=hypermiling
Now for Towing the Fit behind another vehicle such as an RV there's this thread. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
And here is my response in that thread on the subject.
What you want to ask the service department is "can it be flat towed?". I don't know it it can or not without being damaged.
I use to deliver motorhomes from the manufacturers to the dealerships and the only car I knew could be was was the Escort according to a Ford Dealership.
As far as I know the MT could but honda hasn't said wether or not either transmission can as far as I know. I wouldn't chance it with an AT myself.
Here is the real problem for what you're planning. The overhang of the RV (the distance from the rear wheels to the hitch). When you make a turn this will swing hard from one side to the other (or center to side) abrubtly.
On any car this has a tendency to cause the wheels to turn the wrong way. This happens more drastically on smaller cars because they have a sharper turning radius, it will tend to lock the steering up at full turn usually the opposite of the way you want them to go. You will have to catch it when it happens, get out, go back and straighten the steering wheel of the car. Otherwise it will drag your tires sideways and rip them off the rims.
It will also do it when you pull into a service staition drive way. You CAN'T just lock the steering wheel pointed straight ahead because it will drag your front tires sideways when you turn. ANY turn there's alot of swing because of the distance between the RV's rear wheel and the hitch.
Even some large rear wheel drive cars will do it. But not as often because in part due to the fact that they don't turn as sharp so they don't reach the point where the lock up as easily.
You have to start into a turn slowly and pay close attention to any change to road conditions i.e. driveways and such as this can cause the wheels of the towed vehicle to turn out of a turn when you need them to follow you.
You have to actually get a feel as to how to get the towed vehicle to follow properly. Trust me I did it for a living for 4 years. If you want to just pull it around withouth having to watch it that close. Just get in and drive. Read on.
Using a car dolly will work and it's light enough that you could put a small hitch on the Fit as described in another thread in the lists above. If you plan on leaving the RV and driving back as I did.
I would drive the motorhome pulling my car, deliver the motorhome, get in my car and drive to the next motorhome that needed to be transported hook up to it and take off to do it all again.
But this too requires some skill since the wheels on the dolly only turn so much yet the cars front wheels are locked straight ahead, and backing up requires some special considerations for the same reason. You also better have it secured good. Check the straps withing 10 miles and fairly often.
However if this is your personal RV and you want the best solution then this is it.
A small tilt deck trailer (make sure you can get in and out of the car when it's on the traler) with dual axles (trails better than a single axle) with trailer brakes (they're worth having).
You leave the trailer hooked to the RV and roll the car on and off of when you want to use it. That would work good and would be around $3000. It's a good idea to place a board (deflector) on the front to keep rocks from being thrown onto your car. Trust me it can do some damage. That would also hold true if flat towing. Plus the trailer could be used for other things if needed.
The other option would ba a small car trailer which would probably cost a little more but that is it's intended purpose. Still need a rock defector though.
Also, I had 2 Subaru's both FWD 5sp's which I towed ("Flat Towed") and the transaxles both had problems at around 125,000 miles. They both kept locking the steering up when you least want it to, backing up even the smallest amount would do it. Bet the Fit would too.
So there are your options. Personally I would go with the tilt trailer because it can be used for other things too and the car should be easy to secure and unsecure to it with a little planning (mount a few lockdowns). And the defector should be easy to come up with. Plus the trailer is easier to control when backing up.
Mod Might want to Sticky this one.
First is a list of existing threads scattered thru the forum so you can find what you're looking for.
Traler Hitches for bikes here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
This is a nice bike setup hitch here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...3&postcount=46
Another Bicycle Rack Thread here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Rear door bike carrier (actually talks more about roof racks) here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/general-fit-talk/2819-rear-door-bike-carrier.html
I think the Fit towing should start here in this thread. Can the Fit pull a trailer here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Especially this post (Great Find "Honda Jazz Tow Hitch").
Originally Posted by gpmo
Here is a link to the accessory brochure, the hitch is on page 6.
http://www.honda.ie/imgLib/honda2004...y_brochure.pdf
http://www.honda.ie/imgLib/honda2004...y_brochure.pdf
Best Post on how much it can tow here.
Originally Posted by vividjazz
Auto is preferable to manual for towing. In fact autos are often rated to tow heavier loads than the same car in manual.
This class of car can only tow a small box trailer. The Honda Jazz manual lists the maximum tow rate at 450kg or 992lb for both manual and auto 1.3L and 1.5L. Maximum load on the vehicle coupling is 70kg or 154lbs. If the trailer has its own brakes then it can tow more (up to 1,000kg or 2,205lbs).
Towing rates are the same wether the car is just carrying a driver or a full load. Low torque means small cars aren't ideal for towing. A diesel or V8 is made for the job.
This class of car can only tow a small box trailer. The Honda Jazz manual lists the maximum tow rate at 450kg or 992lb for both manual and auto 1.3L and 1.5L. Maximum load on the vehicle coupling is 70kg or 154lbs. If the trailer has its own brakes then it can tow more (up to 1,000kg or 2,205lbs).
Towing rates are the same wether the car is just carrying a driver or a full load. Low torque means small cars aren't ideal for towing. A diesel or V8 is made for the job.
So basically it can tow up to 2200lbs BUT! Can't stop it without help (trailer brakes) and the tounge weight is 154lbs.
and here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/report.php?p=27580
towing with U.S. Fit (Answered Above) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
it's Tow Capability here. (Answered above) https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Towing a flat trailer w/ATV with a Fit here. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
Towing a Honda thread that went a little off by using AWD info from the Element as a how to but agree that a dolly for an auto, or a Manual Trans. are better for "Flat Towing". https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
The Gas Thread has information about hypermiling with an auto and manuals which is actually like (Flat Towing) for short periods. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ht=hypermiling
Now for Towing the Fit behind another vehicle such as an RV there's this thread. https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/show...ghlight=towing
And here is my response in that thread on the subject.
What you want to ask the service department is "can it be flat towed?". I don't know it it can or not without being damaged.
I use to deliver motorhomes from the manufacturers to the dealerships and the only car I knew could be was was the Escort according to a Ford Dealership.
As far as I know the MT could but honda hasn't said wether or not either transmission can as far as I know. I wouldn't chance it with an AT myself.
Here is the real problem for what you're planning. The overhang of the RV (the distance from the rear wheels to the hitch). When you make a turn this will swing hard from one side to the other (or center to side) abrubtly.
On any car this has a tendency to cause the wheels to turn the wrong way. This happens more drastically on smaller cars because they have a sharper turning radius, it will tend to lock the steering up at full turn usually the opposite of the way you want them to go. You will have to catch it when it happens, get out, go back and straighten the steering wheel of the car. Otherwise it will drag your tires sideways and rip them off the rims.
It will also do it when you pull into a service staition drive way. You CAN'T just lock the steering wheel pointed straight ahead because it will drag your front tires sideways when you turn. ANY turn there's alot of swing because of the distance between the RV's rear wheel and the hitch.
Even some large rear wheel drive cars will do it. But not as often because in part due to the fact that they don't turn as sharp so they don't reach the point where the lock up as easily.
You have to start into a turn slowly and pay close attention to any change to road conditions i.e. driveways and such as this can cause the wheels of the towed vehicle to turn out of a turn when you need them to follow you.
You have to actually get a feel as to how to get the towed vehicle to follow properly. Trust me I did it for a living for 4 years. If you want to just pull it around withouth having to watch it that close. Just get in and drive. Read on.
Using a car dolly will work and it's light enough that you could put a small hitch on the Fit as described in another thread in the lists above. If you plan on leaving the RV and driving back as I did.
I would drive the motorhome pulling my car, deliver the motorhome, get in my car and drive to the next motorhome that needed to be transported hook up to it and take off to do it all again.
But this too requires some skill since the wheels on the dolly only turn so much yet the cars front wheels are locked straight ahead, and backing up requires some special considerations for the same reason. You also better have it secured good. Check the straps withing 10 miles and fairly often.
However if this is your personal RV and you want the best solution then this is it.
A small tilt deck trailer (make sure you can get in and out of the car when it's on the traler) with dual axles (trails better than a single axle) with trailer brakes (they're worth having).
You leave the trailer hooked to the RV and roll the car on and off of when you want to use it. That would work good and would be around $3000. It's a good idea to place a board (deflector) on the front to keep rocks from being thrown onto your car. Trust me it can do some damage. That would also hold true if flat towing. Plus the trailer could be used for other things if needed.
The other option would ba a small car trailer which would probably cost a little more but that is it's intended purpose. Still need a rock defector though.
Also, I had 2 Subaru's both FWD 5sp's which I towed ("Flat Towed") and the transaxles both had problems at around 125,000 miles. They both kept locking the steering up when you least want it to, backing up even the smallest amount would do it. Bet the Fit would too.
So there are your options. Personally I would go with the tilt trailer because it can be used for other things too and the car should be easy to secure and unsecure to it with a little planning (mount a few lockdowns). And the defector should be easy to come up with. Plus the trailer is easier to control when backing up.
Mod Might want to Sticky this one.
Last edited by 2hot6ft2; 11-12-2006 at 02:08 AM.
#50
Originally Posted by sbeld
I'd like to use a fit as a to tow behind my RV. Any idea where I might find out if it is ok. The salesmen at the dealers are clueless.
Here's my I answer to your question.
What you want to ask the service department is "can it be flat towed?". I don't know it it can or not without being damaged.
I use to deliver motorhomes from the manufacturers to the dealerships and the only car I knew could be was was the Escort according to a Ford Dealership.
As far as I know the MT could but honda hasn't said wether or not either transmission can as far as I know. I wouldn't chance it with an AT myself.
Here is the real problem for what you're planning. The overhang of the RV (the distance from the rear wheels to the hitch). When you make a turn this will swing hard from one side to the other (or center to side) abrubtly.
On any car this has a tendency to cause the wheels to turn the wrong way. This happens more drastically on smaller cars because they have a sharper turning radius, it will tend to lock the steering up at full turn usually the opposite of the way you want them to go. You will have to catch it when it happens, get out, go back and straighten the steering wheel of the car. Otherwise it will drag your tires sideways and rip them off the rims.
It will also do it when you pull into a service staition drive way. You CAN'T just lock the steering wheel pointed straight ahead because it will drag your front tires sideways when you turn. ANY turn there's alot of swing because of the distance between the RV's rear wheel and the hitch.
Even some large rear wheel drive cars will do it. But not as often because in part due to the fact that they don't turn as sharp so they don't reach the point where the lock up as easily.
You have to start into a turn slowly and pay close attention to any change to road conditions i.e. driveways and such as this can cause the wheels of the towed vehicle to turn out of a turn when you need them to follow you.
You have to actually get a feel as to how to get the towed vehicle to follow properly. Trust me I did it for a living for 4 years. If you want to just pull it around withouth having to watch it that close. Just get in and drive. Read on.
Using a car dolly will work and it's light enough that you could put a small hitch on the Fit as described in another thread in the lists above. If you plan on leaving the RV and driving back as I did.
I would drive the motorhome pulling my car, deliver the motorhome, get in my car and drive to the next motorhome that needed to be transported hook up to it and take off to do it all again.
But this too requires some skill since the wheels on the dolly only turn so much yet the cars front wheels are locked straight ahead, and backing up requires some special considerations for the same reason. You also better have it secured good. Check the straps withing 10 miles and fairly often.
However if this is your personal RV and you want the best solution then this is it.
A small tilt deck trailer (make sure you can get in and out of the car when it's on the traler) with dual axles (trails better than a single axle) with trailer brakes (they're worth having).
You leave the trailer hooked to the RV and roll the car on and off of when you want to use it. That would work good and would be around $3000. It's a good idea to place a board (deflector) on the front to keep rocks from being thrown onto your car. Trust me it can do some damage. That would also hold true if flat towing. Plus the trailer could be used for other things if needed.
The other option would ba a small car trailer which would probably cost a little more but that is it's intended purpose. Still need a rock defector though.
Also, I had 2 Subaru's both FWD 5sp's which I towed ("Flat Towed") and the transaxles both had problems at around 125,000 miles. They both kept locking the steering up when you least want it to, backing up even the smallest amount would do it. Bet the Fit would too.
So there are your options. Personally I would go with the tilt trailer because it can be used for other things too and the car should be easy to secure and unsecure to it with a little planning (mount a few lockdowns). And the defector should be easy to come up with. Plus the trailer is easier to control when backing up.
#51
Towing experience
DISCLAIMER - IN NO WAY DO I CONDONE DOING THE FOLLOWING!!!
I have a Curt hitch on my Fit.
I have a daughter that I gave my '89 CRX to about 1.5 years ago. It broke a timing belt.
Now she has to have transportation and she said that she would pay for an engine to be put in the CRX. I have some connections, and I found a place that would put an engine from a '97 Civic in for just over $1000 and warranty it for 12 mo./12,000 miles.
Problem - the place is 300 miles away from me!!
I had a Dakota, which I sold a few months ago, so the only thing that I have with a hitch on it is my Fit. I have a tow-bar setup for the CRX.
So, I'm looking at the weather, 40-50 degrees (F), calm winds, and no rain.
What the heck!!!
I hook up the CRX on the back (I've previously pulled it about 15 miles, for, um - practice?) of the Fit, and we head down the interstate.
I set the cruise on 60 MPH, in S-mode. Simple, I think, when it drops to 55 mph, I'll drop down into 4th. If it drops to 50, I'll go to 3rd. Never had to do 3rd.
Bear in mind, I'm pulling this from near Nashville to the corner of KY, OH, and WV which means that I've got some sizeable hills to deal with.
I went interstate as much as possible. The total trip was 280 miles. About 260 of those miles were interstate, with the remainder straight, smooth 2-lane with no traffic lights or stops.
The Fit pulled it with no problems.
I only had one "issue" the entire trip, and that was when I attempted to brake when going through a 90-degree turn. The CRX tried to push the back end of the Fit some. The remainder of the trip was uneventful.
ScanGauge II data:
Temperature 171 - 181 degrees, with 177 most of the time. This is about 2 degrees higher than "normal".
Gas Mileage - 27.2 mpg. This, I find, simply amazing! For reference, on my return trip at 75 mph, I averaged 32.6 mpg.
Conclusions:
- If I had it to do over again, I probably would. However, I could NEVER advise anyone else to do the same.
- The Fit is awesome! The power was smooth and was never an issue.
- The Curt hitch perfromed without any problems.
I realize that I'll probably get "flamed" over this by some folks. However, when you have to do what you have to do.... you do!
I have a Curt hitch on my Fit.
I have a daughter that I gave my '89 CRX to about 1.5 years ago. It broke a timing belt.
Now she has to have transportation and she said that she would pay for an engine to be put in the CRX. I have some connections, and I found a place that would put an engine from a '97 Civic in for just over $1000 and warranty it for 12 mo./12,000 miles.
Problem - the place is 300 miles away from me!!
I had a Dakota, which I sold a few months ago, so the only thing that I have with a hitch on it is my Fit. I have a tow-bar setup for the CRX.
So, I'm looking at the weather, 40-50 degrees (F), calm winds, and no rain.
What the heck!!!
I hook up the CRX on the back (I've previously pulled it about 15 miles, for, um - practice?) of the Fit, and we head down the interstate.
I set the cruise on 60 MPH, in S-mode. Simple, I think, when it drops to 55 mph, I'll drop down into 4th. If it drops to 50, I'll go to 3rd. Never had to do 3rd.
Bear in mind, I'm pulling this from near Nashville to the corner of KY, OH, and WV which means that I've got some sizeable hills to deal with.
I went interstate as much as possible. The total trip was 280 miles. About 260 of those miles were interstate, with the remainder straight, smooth 2-lane with no traffic lights or stops.
The Fit pulled it with no problems.
I only had one "issue" the entire trip, and that was when I attempted to brake when going through a 90-degree turn. The CRX tried to push the back end of the Fit some. The remainder of the trip was uneventful.
ScanGauge II data:
Temperature 171 - 181 degrees, with 177 most of the time. This is about 2 degrees higher than "normal".
Gas Mileage - 27.2 mpg. This, I find, simply amazing! For reference, on my return trip at 75 mph, I averaged 32.6 mpg.
Conclusions:
- If I had it to do over again, I probably would. However, I could NEVER advise anyone else to do the same.
- The Fit is awesome! The power was smooth and was never an issue.
- The Curt hitch perfromed without any problems.
I realize that I'll probably get "flamed" over this by some folks. However, when you have to do what you have to do.... you do!
#57
David:
That is great, and dis-spells a common myth:
People think they need some large truck to tow something, especially boats. There are people in my office that sold a nice car and bought some huge truck or SUV becuase the got a boat, which they use maybe 3-10 times a year. Also, many think they need to drive @ the speed limit or above when towing....forgetting the added weight and different geometry.
I have friends that have towed stuff with light cars both here and in Europe without problems. Heck, I had one friend with a Citroen Ami (2CV based car) that had a hitch. I know a lot of people that launch boats with FWD cars and I even launched a good sized boat with a Mitsubishi 2.0l pickup with an automatic.
The only "negative" I can think of David is "supposedly" Honda does not want the car used for towing and any warranty claims on the drivetrain might be an issue?
That is great, and dis-spells a common myth:
People think they need some large truck to tow something, especially boats. There are people in my office that sold a nice car and bought some huge truck or SUV becuase the got a boat, which they use maybe 3-10 times a year. Also, many think they need to drive @ the speed limit or above when towing....forgetting the added weight and different geometry.
I have friends that have towed stuff with light cars both here and in Europe without problems. Heck, I had one friend with a Citroen Ami (2CV based car) that had a hitch. I know a lot of people that launch boats with FWD cars and I even launched a good sized boat with a Mitsubishi 2.0l pickup with an automatic.
The only "negative" I can think of David is "supposedly" Honda does not want the car used for towing and any warranty claims on the drivetrain might be an issue?
#58
An interesting side notes on this.
The CRX that I was towing - I have a hitch on it!!
Back about 10 years ago, it was my only vehicle. When I moved 200 miles away, I did it with my CRX and a 4'x8' U-Haul trailer. It took me 4 round trips (if I remember correctly,) and got about 32 mpg pulling the U-Haul.
I originally put the hitch on my CRX to tow a small aluminum bass boat - to a local lake - to study! I'd go out on the boat, find a quiet place to tie up and sit in the captain chair with no interuptions for hours.
Back when I had my '99 CR-V, I towed it my CRX to Summit Point Raceway (east of D.C.) and back without any issues. This was approximately 700 miles each way. There was a group of CRX folks who met there for a Friday At The Track (FATT). This was our third time of doing so. A LOT of fun!!!
Here's a pic that I took on the return trip at a rest area:
The CRX that I was towing - I have a hitch on it!!
Back about 10 years ago, it was my only vehicle. When I moved 200 miles away, I did it with my CRX and a 4'x8' U-Haul trailer. It took me 4 round trips (if I remember correctly,) and got about 32 mpg pulling the U-Haul.
I originally put the hitch on my CRX to tow a small aluminum bass boat - to a local lake - to study! I'd go out on the boat, find a quiet place to tie up and sit in the captain chair with no interuptions for hours.
Back when I had my '99 CR-V, I towed it my CRX to Summit Point Raceway (east of D.C.) and back without any issues. This was approximately 700 miles each way. There was a group of CRX folks who met there for a Friday At The Track (FATT). This was our third time of doing so. A LOT of fun!!!
Here's a pic that I took on the return trip at a rest area:
#60
Towing
So I know that the Fit is the LAST car one would ever get with the intention to tow something, but I'm wondering if it can be done. I'm trying to decide between keeping my 05 civic sedan, getting a 06 Si sedan, or a fit.
So does anyone tow jet ski's behind their Fit. I would be towing it about an hour away maybe 3 times a year, and otherwise towing it about 100 yards from my dads house to the dock. Just curious if anyone else tows.
So does anyone tow jet ski's behind their Fit. I would be towing it about an hour away maybe 3 times a year, and otherwise towing it about 100 yards from my dads house to the dock. Just curious if anyone else tows.