Coilover Comparison Thread
#41
"I'm planning on buying Endura-tech's. I like what Kenchan has to say about them, and I drive my car everywhere, and a lot of roads nearby are bumpy/cracked as hell, so I don't want stiff-ass springs. Besides, I like their website design lol"
Hey thanks for the good feedback on the website design. Let us know when your ready to make that move on the coilovers. I am here to assist you.
Hey thanks for the good feedback on the website design. Let us know when your ready to make that move on the coilovers. I am here to assist you.
#43
My cliffnotes version
How soft or stiff a spring is compressed when made.
Im sure others can give you a more detailed explanation. and what it actually does.
How soft or stiff a spring is compressed when made.
Im sure others can give you a more detailed explanation. and what it actually does.
#44
Well, spring rate is the amount of force it would take to compress the spring x amount of inches. For example, if you had a 336#/in spring (also known as a 6k spring) It would take you 336 lbs. to compress the spring 1 inch. If that spring was 8 inches in length, it would take 2,688 pounds of force or weight to make that spring solid (also called coil bind), in which all the coils of the spring would be compressed and touching one another.
For all those that would like to know, the calculation to convert a kg to pound spring is this: k / .01785 = #/in. So if the spring is a 5k spring then the conversion would be 5/.01785= 280 #/in.
If you wanted to get really technical, the definition of Spring rate is: "The difference in dynamic force resulting from a spring + and - amplitude of 10mm divided by 2,050 as to obtain the average rate in N/mm for this range." As stated by the "Spring Design Manual 2nd ed."
But to simplify that further, Spring Rate is the change in load per unit of deflection.
Hope this helps.
For all those that would like to know, the calculation to convert a kg to pound spring is this: k / .01785 = #/in. So if the spring is a 5k spring then the conversion would be 5/.01785= 280 #/in.
If you wanted to get really technical, the definition of Spring rate is: "The difference in dynamic force resulting from a spring + and - amplitude of 10mm divided by 2,050 as to obtain the average rate in N/mm for this range." As stated by the "Spring Design Manual 2nd ed."
But to simplify that further, Spring Rate is the change in load per unit of deflection.
Hope this helps.
#46
LOL. I just graduated from Jr. High So we have a few years between us.
I just happened to have the more technical comments at my finger tips, but the first comments and the conversion rate I readily hold in my noggin'.
Cheers
I just happened to have the more technical comments at my finger tips, but the first comments and the conversion rate I readily hold in my noggin'.
Cheers
#47
Hi Kenchan,
I'm just trying to understand any drawback on wife's and children comfort when adopting endura tech coilovers on her small fit/jazz.
Given all the benefits (I would expect less rolling above all of the rear of the car) do you think the car might exhibit a too stiffer/hasher behaviour?
Another question is about height reduction with enduratechs. Is it fixed or one can choice?
TIA,
Stefano
I'm just trying to understand any drawback on wife's and children comfort when adopting endura tech coilovers on her small fit/jazz.
Given all the benefits (I would expect less rolling above all of the rear of the car) do you think the car might exhibit a too stiffer/hasher behaviour?
Another question is about height reduction with enduratechs. Is it fixed or one can choice?
TIA,
Stefano
there are really no drawbacks. i carry my little ones with me in the
FitS and they have never complained about comfort. Even the wife
said the car felt very smooth. there is really no harsh or stiffer
behavior. was a different story when i had the DF210's. those were
smooth until you hit a bump. most coilovers out there ride fine until
you hit a bigger bump. with the EnduraTechs you can hit a big bump
and still feel fine.
you can set the height of the EnduraTechs at factory, above factory,
or below factory to about a 2" drop. it's a very verstile setup.
#48
take. wish i could say that about my modded cooper-s.
#51
coilovers
Has anyone ever had/tried/rode in a car with AME Engineering coilovers? Locally made in Washington state from aluminum, shock bodies anyhow. Trying to find someone with a ride report on them. I called and they are priced at $985 shipped. He will give you whatever spring rate you desire after he speaks to you, what kind of driving you will be doing. Sounds like it is too good to be true!
#52
Has anyone ever had/tried/rode in a car with AME Engineering coilovers? Locally made in Washington state from aluminum, shock bodies anyhow. Trying to find someone with a ride report on them. I called and they are priced at $985 shipped. He will give you whatever spring rate you desire after he speaks to you, what kind of driving you will be doing. Sounds like it is too good to be true!
I paid Ellis about $650 or so for 2 struts and 2 shocks. Ellis was nothing but broken promises that later lead to failing health, blah, blah, blah.
What's AME's website?
#53
This could have saved me loads of aggravation dealing with Ellis engineering before I even ventured into doing my other choices as they became available.
I paid Ellis about $650 or so for 2 struts and 2 shocks. Ellis was nothing but broken promises that later lead to failing health, blah, blah, blah.
What's AME's website?
I paid Ellis about $650 or so for 2 struts and 2 shocks. Ellis was nothing but broken promises that later lead to failing health, blah, blah, blah.
What's AME's website?
#55
Had Tein Basics for almost a year now, dropped 2 1/4" all around. You can drop close to 3" in the front and 2 3/4" in the rear. The numbers given on Tein's website are their "reference height" which is what the combo was designed to work optimally at.
Ride for the first week was harsh. then it levelled out to a solid but well damped feel. handlign became MUCH more neutral than stock thanks to the very stiff rear springs. Body roll is minimal and the car barely has any understeer, which is impressive for just a coilover set with such a front heavy car.
The Cons are nly height adjustable. Not good enough for serious track use. Great for daily driving and spirited drives.
Ride for the first week was harsh. then it levelled out to a solid but well damped feel. handlign became MUCH more neutral than stock thanks to the very stiff rear springs. Body roll is minimal and the car barely has any understeer, which is impressive for just a coilover set with such a front heavy car.
The Cons are nly height adjustable. Not good enough for serious track use. Great for daily driving and spirited drives.
#57
Hey Endura-Tech (Justin) I am looking to get those coilovers soon. I can't wait long time coming. Kenchan I finally ordered the the Endura-Tech's can't wait. When TopSpeed does the install plus the corner balancing I will post. Take care
#58
Had Tein Basics for almost a year now, dropped 2 1/4" all around. You can drop close to 3" in the front and 2 3/4" in the rear. The numbers given on Tein's website are their "reference height" which is what the combo was designed to work optimally at.
Ride for the first week was harsh. then it levelled out to a solid but well damped feel. handlign became MUCH more neutral than stock thanks to the very stiff rear springs. Body roll is minimal and the car barely has any understeer, which is impressive for just a coilover set with such a front heavy car.
The Cons are nly height adjustable. Not good enough for serious track use. Great for daily driving and spirited drives.
Ride for the first week was harsh. then it levelled out to a solid but well damped feel. handlign became MUCH more neutral than stock thanks to the very stiff rear springs. Body roll is minimal and the car barely has any understeer, which is impressive for just a coilover set with such a front heavy car.
The Cons are nly height adjustable. Not good enough for serious track use. Great for daily driving and spirited drives.