Enduratech Coilovers
#141
Thanks Chaplain! I look forward to talking with you next week after you had some time on the coilovers.
#142
For those that keep himming and hawwing, this is some food for thought.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
#143
For those that keep himming and hawwing, this is some food for thought.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
#144
chaplain2FIT- glad you like the setup. this setup has a lot of
potential while keeping dd drivability in mind.
radar- you have to take into consideration that these ET's construction
is the same as you would find in much more expensive setups. meaning,
the spring preload is unaltered when you raise/lower the height. the
height is adjusted by the damper casing. with this in mind, you can't
expect ET to release adjustable dampers at $899... they would have
to degrade construction somewhere...and we don't want that!
the dampness is well matched to the springs. you can hit a big bump
and still ride over it like stock even if you're lowered -1.5" or more.
the bumpstops are also very progressive so it's not an abrupt stop
when you hit them...almost goes unnoticed.
im glad people are finding my posts useful cause i only post things
from actual experience. these c/o's rock!!!
potential while keeping dd drivability in mind.
radar- you have to take into consideration that these ET's construction
is the same as you would find in much more expensive setups. meaning,
the spring preload is unaltered when you raise/lower the height. the
height is adjusted by the damper casing. with this in mind, you can't
expect ET to release adjustable dampers at $899... they would have
to degrade construction somewhere...and we don't want that!
the dampness is well matched to the springs. you can hit a big bump
and still ride over it like stock even if you're lowered -1.5" or more.
the bumpstops are also very progressive so it's not an abrupt stop
when you hit them...almost goes unnoticed.
im glad people are finding my posts useful cause i only post things
from actual experience. these c/o's rock!!!
#145
I understood that from the beginning. If the valving was adjustable, it would have to be more $$$.
#147
gap is more than it would be on a stock FitSport's tires. it would be around
1finger gap on my car if i was running stock tires.
stock tires: 195/55/15
Mine: 195/50/15 (quite a bit shorter)
#149
Modified Magazine had nothing but good things to say about Enduratech coilovers as I flipped through it at the store. They added make sure you get an alignment done asap after installing them. I'll keep that in mind lol how much does an alignment usually cost?
#150
i had mine aligned at the dealer for $99, but in factory form only the
front toe is adjustable.
so, if you can find a alignment shop that can do just a 2 wheel alignment
for cheap, that would be the way to go... unless you want to go all
out and get some camber bolts for the front, shims for the rear.
the front toe alignment is needed though when you lower the car.
the toe-out is too much for street.
front toe is adjustable.
so, if you can find a alignment shop that can do just a 2 wheel alignment
for cheap, that would be the way to go... unless you want to go all
out and get some camber bolts for the front, shims for the rear.
the front toe alignment is needed though when you lower the car.
the toe-out is too much for street.
#153
i am assuming that they are not compatible.
#154
For those that keep himming and hawwing, this is some food for thought.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
I have purchased a lot of suspension variations. I haven't tried the Endura-Techs. Probably won't, HOWEVER I think I could have saved myself a lot of aggravation if I tried them first. Unfortunately they weren't out until late spring this year. I won't only because I think I'm on the cuff of having what I have lately work out for me.
Here lies the detail as to why you want these if you drive on the street:
Everybody's spring rate is WAY TO FREAKIN HIGH! Great to track the car. But the cold reality is you are NOT SPEED RACER! You are boy wonder and need to drive this car on the street. Did you know the rear spring rate on our cars from Honda is 148 lbs. How come everybody is doing rear springs of 350 lbs then on the rear? Front spring rate of 464 lbs?
That's the spring rate of a Honda Odyssey with over 4200 lbs.
Endura-Tech's spring rates of approx. 290lbs front and 168lbs rear is right at where they need to be to handle really well, and be comfortable. The valving is not adjustable and that is the only thing missing, but from what you can read here is, buyers are liking their product a whole hell of a lot!
Just wanted to throw some beneficial information out there for those considering coilovers.
#155
with a spare and when you brake the center of gravity moves towards
the front. it's not like the weight of the car is ever even while the
car is in motion.
with a car that doesnt have much torque to begin with, you would
counter the acceleration rear 'squat' by giving i some rake to put
more weight towards the front of the car where the driving wheels are.
at the end, the front needs to have higher spring rate.
#157
why? you are aware that the engine is heavier than an empty trunk
with a spare and when you brake the center of gravity moves towards
the front. it's not like the weight of the car is ever even while the
car is in motion.
with a car that doesnt have much torque to begin with, you would
counter the acceleration rear 'squat' by giving i some rake to put
more weight towards the front of the car where the driving wheels are.
at the end, the front needs to have higher spring rate.
with a spare and when you brake the center of gravity moves towards
the front. it's not like the weight of the car is ever even while the
car is in motion.
with a car that doesnt have much torque to begin with, you would
counter the acceleration rear 'squat' by giving i some rake to put
more weight towards the front of the car where the driving wheels are.
at the end, the front needs to have higher spring rate.
i wont get into the physics of why. i'll simplify - the end with the softer wheel rate has more grip. by having softer rear rates, you're choosing to have more grip in the rear. which is a fine design choice for OEM applications, as the general theory about designing consumer vehicles is that understeer is safer.
it just baffles me that people would actively choose a coilover suspension set with this front to rear balance when coilovers are ostensibly for higher levels of performance. the other baffling thought - that spring rates are just too much of a hassle to be bothered with.
but, in the end, just because i wouldn't be happy with the product doesn't mean that someone else can't be totally in love with it.
#158
why? you are aware that the engine is heavier than an empty trunk
with a spare and when you brake the center of gravity moves towards
the front. it's not like the weight of the car is ever even while the
car is in motion.
with a car that doesnt have much torque to begin with, you would
counter the acceleration rear 'squat' by giving i some rake to put
more weight towards the front of the car where the driving wheels are.
at the end, the front needs to have higher spring rate.
with a spare and when you brake the center of gravity moves towards
the front. it's not like the weight of the car is ever even while the
car is in motion.
with a car that doesnt have much torque to begin with, you would
counter the acceleration rear 'squat' by giving i some rake to put
more weight towards the front of the car where the driving wheels are.
at the end, the front needs to have higher spring rate.
now, on a let's be real note, i know that most people buy coilovers for the purpose of having an "adjustable" ride height which really means that individual wants to lower his car as low as possible, while retaining the option to raise it back up once tired of riding on bumpstops and scraping body kits. suspension performance is, at best, a secondary thought (as evidenced by the popularity of teins) and frankly, i'm OK with that. people should feel perfectly free to do as they wish with their hard earned money.
on another note, i have no doubt that enduratech in their heart of hearts wants to do the right thing and not give casual performance consumers a product that may be too neutral (handling-wise) that would cause folks to be a danger to themselves.
i say this to say, for the performance minded folks out there, carefully consider what you buy.
#159
disagree. wheel rate and spring rate are not the same thing. motion ratio, spring rate, dampening, and roll bars together generate the effective wheel rate.
in theory, the front spring rate does not have to be higher than the rear spring rate to achieve a higher front wheel rate.
in theory, the front spring rate does not have to be higher than the rear spring rate to achieve a higher front wheel rate.
#160
disagree. wheel rate and spring rate are not the same thing. motion ratio, spring rate, dampening, and roll bars together generate the effective wheel rate.
in theory, the front spring rate does not have to be higher than the rear spring rate to achieve a higher front wheel rate.
in theory, the front spring rate does not have to be higher than the rear spring rate to achieve a higher front wheel rate.
posting on the enduratech thread specifically.