Topfuel Turbo Jazz article
#21
ifit was me I would wait to see if someone like AEM comes out with a standalone for tuning the Fit. If so then you can just do a custom kit and make way more power than this
#22
You dont need anywhere near the capability that AEM's EMS's have to tune the Fit or any car. Unless you are a diehard road racer and that is all you use the car for and understand fuel maps and duty cycles and every other little thing associated with engine tuning or know someone who with alot of this knowledge, there is absolutely no need for a standalone engine management unit. The newest Greddy Ultimate isnt a standalone unit and even that has alot of features that the average person will never use and you can get that setup for around $500, much cheaper almost $2k for a AEM EMS. The AEM unit honestly doesnt do alot more then the Greddy unit but because its a standalone unit and completely replaces your stock ECU with all the right engine plugs, that pulls more of a premium, the convenience aspect of it then the actual contents of the unit. Because like I said it doesnt do much more then the Greddy unit and those few extra features definitely dont justify the extra $1500 that it costs over the Greddy unit.
#23
Who pays 2K for the EMS... I hope not. hell I'll cut you a better deal than that just off of the shelf. I'm not a person that is looking for any type of piggy back. I Just can not useing a unit that basically fools the OEM ECU and can cause major problems in the long run. If I were to spend 2K I would just get the Electromotive Tec3 I had on my EG years ago. I mean you can purchase a MicroTech for $850 LOL. But I mean if Greddy had proven #'s and user friendly options I may look into it since the EMS and most other standalones do not support the drive by wire TB setup
#24
You must not know too much about the AEM EMS's then, there pretty much as good as it gets as far as stand alone units go. Pretty much every aspect of the car is programmable thru that unit and most of there applications list for just under $2k.
As far as the Greddy Ultimate unit goes, it is a piggyback unit but as far as piggyback unit's go it is pretty much the top one you can get. Like I said AEM's EMS does only a few advanced features that the Greddy doesnt and isnt worth that extra $1500. The biggest pain with the Greddy is its installation, about 12 wires I believe and since it is not a plug and play unit it needs to be soldered to the stock ECU harness. If this isnt a problem for you then the Greddy Ultimate is a great way to spend $500.
As far as the Greddy Ultimate unit goes, it is a piggyback unit but as far as piggyback unit's go it is pretty much the top one you can get. Like I said AEM's EMS does only a few advanced features that the Greddy doesnt and isnt worth that extra $1500. The biggest pain with the Greddy is its installation, about 12 wires I believe and since it is not a plug and play unit it needs to be soldered to the stock ECU harness. If this isnt a problem for you then the Greddy Ultimate is a great way to spend $500.
#26
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Australia
Advan Performance
Centre Pty., Ltd.
137 Silverwater Rd, Silverwater, Sydney, NSW 2128
Phone 61-2-9647-1326 Fax 61-2-9647-1327
URL www.advan.net.au
Australia
Autobarn
Located Nationwide
URL www.autobarn.com.au
Australia
HIGH PERFORMANCE
CAR TOYS / Eurotech Imports
285-289 Port Road, Hindmarsh, South Australia (Adelaide) 5007
Phone 61-08-8346-2555
URL www.cartoys.com.au
E-MAIL info@cartoys.com.au
Microtech
http://www.microtechefi.com/
Last edited by vividjazz; 02-25-2006 at 07:09 AM.
#28
See that is where I'm not a huge fan of cutting and splicing into the OEM Harness. I mean if you must have to do it. I would say that is an option for last resort. That is just me and how we usually do thing around here.
#29
I wanted to update you guys on the Top Fuel bolt on turbo kit for the GD3/4 Fit. Here is a pic of the kit installed:
Top Fuel's list price for the kit is 312,900yen, roughly just under $2700. The description of the kit is pretty brief but it is a complete bolt on kit without any optional parts needed for the kit to function as intended. It also says that the power increase is about 30% over stock. So with around 110hp stock, 30% of that is around 33hp. 33hp for a car with only 110hp to start off with is not bad at all but $2700 for only 33hp isnt the best hp to dollar ratio.
But you also figure 33hp is about 15 or so more then you would be able to achieve by slapping on every single bolt on currently available for the Fit even though it might end up being slightly cheaper that route but not by a whole lot.
I really hope Top Fuel or any other Japanese tuner comes out with a slightly larger turbo kit but based on pic of this current kit, it seems to fit(pardon the pun) rather well and OEM looking. If some uneducated average person was to look in the engine bay they wouldnt be able to tell there was anything altered which is a plus in itself.
Any input is welcomed, enjoy.
Top Fuel's list price for the kit is 312,900yen, roughly just under $2700. The description of the kit is pretty brief but it is a complete bolt on kit without any optional parts needed for the kit to function as intended. It also says that the power increase is about 30% over stock. So with around 110hp stock, 30% of that is around 33hp. 33hp for a car with only 110hp to start off with is not bad at all but $2700 for only 33hp isnt the best hp to dollar ratio.
But you also figure 33hp is about 15 or so more then you would be able to achieve by slapping on every single bolt on currently available for the Fit even though it might end up being slightly cheaper that route but not by a whole lot.
I really hope Top Fuel or any other Japanese tuner comes out with a slightly larger turbo kit but based on pic of this current kit, it seems to fit(pardon the pun) rather well and OEM looking. If some uneducated average person was to look in the engine bay they wouldnt be able to tell there was anything altered which is a plus in itself.
Any input is welcomed, enjoy.
Last edited by JDMGD3; 03-01-2006 at 02:32 AM.
#30
JDMGD3 - Also remember that this Top Fuel kit is not even offering any type of intercooler. That is one area in which this kit is lacking in to help making more power. I have seen many Fits around the world with FMIC or a small top mount where the OEM air box is located. Yes these are most likely custom setup, but add an intercooler would help bring #'s up in a small %.
#31
True but I think Top Fuel or any of the other major Japanese tuners should if they arent in the planning already to come out with a more complete kit, one that offers a IC of some sort whether that be a side, top or front mount IC. Also I took a closer look on Top Fuel's site and it stated that the kit bumped the stock 110ps to 150ps, so the gain is roughly about 40hp rounded up. Makes the kit a little more worth it but still for the $2700 price, should give a bit more power.
#32
look like about 65-70hp to the flywheel. Not bad for a setup that is mising a few key components I think. I am sure once a few of the power house companies in NA get their hands on the Fit. The parts will start rolling out. Well that is what we all can hoe for. But I'm still thinking that with a nice cam and tuning the #'s can easily be raised a bit higher.
#33
I forgot to mention this but I am almost certain that 150ps rating is to the crank so figure about 125ps at the most to the crank. Either way you look at it is a gain of about 35-40whp over stock because in stock trim to the wheels it only has about 80-85whp at the most. But we have to keep in mind that this is a car that only weighs 2200lbs so even though 35hp doesnt sound like a whole lot especially not for $2700 but that HP will affect this a car this light in a much bigger way then one weighing closer to 3000lbs.
#35
I dont think thats true, your telling me there is almost a 200lb weight difference between the Japanese Fit and US Fit? Even though US car's have more safety related parts because of stricter regulations here, I highly doubt it can add 200lbs compared to the Japanese Fit but we will have to wait and see.
#36
HOT OFF THE PRESS... http://automobiles.honda.com/fit/specs.aspx
Base - Sport
Curb Weight (lbs., MT/AT) 2432 / 2514 - 2471 / 2551
This is actually even higher than I had heard earlier.
Base - Sport
Curb Weight (lbs., MT/AT) 2432 / 2514 - 2471 / 2551
This is actually even higher than I had heard earlier.
#37
Guys, when I originally posted, I had just watched the Top Fuel Fit run at Tsukuba in Ibaraki, Japan. The specs can be seen on the Option DVD if anyone has heard of it. Top Fuel will not release the specifics of that Fit to the public. I say this becasue at the recent Tokyo Auto Salon the Top Fuel Fit was there, but they would not open the hood on it because of the obvious. They currently dont want anyone here to know how they were able to squeeze 200 hp out of the 1.5. I can tell you that there was a cam shaft change along with a front mounted intercooler.
As for the optional turbo kit. Top Fuel made their own turbo kit and it runs for around $3000. I have pictures of their second Fit with their turbo installed which is good for 150 hp which I will try to upload later today.
As for the optional turbo kit. Top Fuel made their own turbo kit and it runs for around $3000. I have pictures of their second Fit with their turbo installed which is good for 150 hp which I will try to upload later today.
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