Wow, thanks for the update. My car may reach 30 days in the shop and no loaner car. But have 27,500 miles on it. I am very disappointed with vehicle. I should reach Honda let them know that I no longer may feel assured of the quality and that the value of the car has diminished. I will look into NTSB. Wish you well, keep us posted.

 

A set of 4 fuel injectors is the answer I've been expecting to hear. I bet the OP of this thread will end up needing the same, once his dealer figures this out.


Have you tried calling Hondas customer service hotline (look on honda.com), ask if they would help cover part of the cost of this repair?

OP, if your car has been sitting at the dealer for a month, maybe you would want to talk to customer service too.

 

Yeah, I'm going to have too. At this point I don't want it back anymore, disappointed and fear this is not going to be last of issues.

 

Well I've just gotten my Fit back. Everything is good except for my wallet $1300. They replaced the injectors with part 16010-5r1-315 and fuel rail with part 16012-5r1-315. I think the fuel rail is required because of new geometry of injectors. All new part numbers looks a little bit different. My fuel economy jumped back to 35 mpg.

Just a few notes if your Fit starts dropping avg fuel economy on dash board display watch out. It slowly keeps falling. This is showing that your fuel injector are starting to fail. I started to get error codes when the display dropped to an average 28.5 mpg. Honda knows about this problem the tech said they have a soft TSB (what ever that means). Fuel economy started to drop around at 38,000 miles around 8 month ago. If your under warranty and your display shows a drop in fuel economy get it check out. Honda knows about this problem they just don't want to pay for a recall.

 

Those numbers look like they are for 2016-17 Fit. Not sure what the differences may be.

But there are many OTHER possible reasons fuel mileage might drop too.


What type and brands of gasoline have you been using?
Are you familiar with Top Tier Gas?

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If you have an early fit like me you know of all the problems the 2015 have. Yes other reason do cause milage numbers to drop but 4 injectors fail before 50,000 miles is unexcuseable piss poor quality. With a 1300.00 repair bill for only a 2 years old car and the replacement parts are a new design. Honda just doesn't want to do another recall. I did get the it's your gas excuse while still in warranty bs. I just rolled my eyes at that excuse . The injectors were probably failing while in warranty but the dealer just kept there mouth shut. All I'm saying is Honda is trying to let the problem be found after the warranty is over. The mechanic stated there was a tsb so it's not just an isolated case.

Please don't say gas. As a mechanical engineer I can say a 10mpg drop is not because of gas, maybe 2 to 4 but not 10 and that's from regular to super not supplier.

I'm just letting anyone that owns a early 2015 watch out for the injectors it's a expensive repair and Honda doesn't want to admit there is a problem.

 

I wasn't asking about fuel because of the mileage drop, I was asking because low quality fuel could be a factor in your injector problems.

It's not like every last car is having problems, IMO it seems to be isolated cases. I personally haven't seen any of the DI Fits with this particular fault code problem....yet.

 

I usually buy my gas at costco. I have three cars that use the same gas and their injectors show no issues. My suzuki has over 150,000 miles and no injector issues. I can understand bad gas from a fly by night operation but that isn't the case.

My car is an early 2015 model with relatively high mileage for year built almost 50,000 now. I doubt that many cars have more that 20,000 miles on them. I suspect that as more cars with the same injectors start putting higher miles on them the injectors will start to fail. I was informed by the dealer that Honda has a TSB on it.

I'm just trying to save someone a 1,300.00 in a repair bill. The first sign of the injector failure is a very slow but steady decrease in mpg it started at around 36,000 to 38,000 took over 9 month to show error code. Its easiest to see on avg mpg display. Just have it documented before warranty runs out so Honda might cover it under warranty.

 

My Fit has a build date of 12/14 and I'm at over 40k. Still averaging very good mileage. I filled up yesterday and calculated 44.9 MPG which is inline with my normal daily commute. I'll fluctuate 43-45 on a normal basis but peaked at 47 on a tank. That tank I had really mild temperatures for a week and didn't need to use AC or heat.

I'll definitely keep an eye on this and hope that they switched to newer injectors by the time they got to building mine. I'm out of warranty and car is paid off.

 

Same repair with injectors and fuel rail. I really hate to say this, but next vehicles may not be a Honda. I am better off with a used Scion. I got 240,000 out of it before I even got any kind of sensor problems. Cheers!

 

Ill just stress quietly here.....grrrr.

 

The codes almost never tell the whole story, too many dealer mechanics have gotten lazy and put too much dependance on the codes and skip the actual troubleshooting. Your problem could be a vacuum leak / leaky EGR, mouse chewed wire.. etc.. etc

 

Sadly there is a tsb about it

 

I don't see any official Honda TSB listed for the P219A fault code.
There is some service info about the code in a different area but it is not a TSB.


A dealer tech wouldn't find any TSBs remotely relevant to fuel injectors unless they happen to accidentally stumble across a certain bulletin for misfire codes (P030x codes), which OP did not mention in the first post.....

If the car didn't set any misfire code, a tech isn't bloody likely to do a TSB search for a misfire code.

Honda, are you reading this?

 

2015 Honda Fit TSBs (Technical Service Bulletins) | HondaProblems.com


holy cow there are WAY more than when i checked like 6 months ago!!



ok..its not the same DTC.

NHTSA ID Number: 10078580
Manufacturer Communication Number: DEN-K3Q5J-06
Summary
THIS COMMUNICATION IS INFORMING HONDA OF A DELAMINATION ISSUES WITHIN AN I.C. PRODUCED BY NXP AND ASSEMBLED INTO AIRBAG SENSOR SUPPLIED BY DENSO INTERNATIONAL AMERICA, INC. THIS DELAMINATION ISSUE MANIFESTS ITSELF AS AN OPEN CIRCUIT WITHIN THE SENSOR, CAUSING A DTC TO BE SET ON THE VEHICLE ALONG WITH A DECLARING “AIRBAG” LIGHT.
76 Associated Products
1 Associated Document

• Service Bulletin DocumentSB-10078580-6903.pdf585.734KB

 

NHTSA ID Number: 10078580
Manufacturer Communication Number: DEN-K3Q5J-06
Summary
THIS COMMUNICATION IS INFORMING HONDA OF A DELAMINATION ISSUES WITHIN AN I.C. PRODUCED BY NXP AND ASSEMBLED INTO AIRBAG SENSOR SUPPLIED BY DENSO INTERNATIONAL AMERICA, INC. THIS DELAMINATION ISSUE MANIFESTS ITSELF AS AN OPEN CIRCUIT WITHIN THE SENSOR, CAUSING A DTC TO BE SET ON THE VEHICLE ALONG WITH A DECLARING “AIRBAG” LIGHT.
76 Associated Products
1 Associated Document

• Service Bulletin DocumentSB-10078580-6903.pdf585.734KB

 

Not really relevant to this thread IMO, but......
This looks like communication between Denso and Honda about a satellite safing sensor issue.
I didn't find a safing sensor being used on any Fits.
Do you know which Honda vehicles might be affected? Specific years?

Are any other vehicle manufacturers using the same affected sensor(s)?

 

2015 EX-L with 27,9xx miles. Built April 2014, bought in June 2014...

My CEL came on this morning on the way to work, right as I was merging on to the interstate.

My Honda dealer is right off the next exit, and it was about 5 minutes before they opened, so I swung by there real quick.

They pulled the code. P219A.

He asked if I wanted to leave it today to diagnose. I said sure, but they didn't have a loaner for me today. So I get to drop it off on Monday...

Will see what happens... I've been looking long and hard about getting a new car this summer/fall. This might push me to do just that.

Of course this happens 3 weeks after my new car warranty ends! Will the powertrain warranty cover any of this? Or at least the diagnosis?

 

Car has 26,000 miles. At dealer now. Service guy just told me car will need new injectors...covered by warranty.

 

DO IT!! This a manufactures defect, too many cars with this unique code. I got mine done after explaining to them that it was not my intake or other modifications.