Honda announces recall
#324
02-22-2011 | 06:44 PM
I see that a valve adjustment is part of the service, though can anybody explain why this is? Are they actually doing something to the valves, or do they need to be loosened to get in there?
I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts
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I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts
.
#326
02-22-2011 | 06:52 PM
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From: Capital Distric New York
I see that a valve adjustment is part of the service, though can anybody explain why this is? Are they actually doing something to the valves, or do they need to be loosened to get in there?
I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts.
I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts
.
#327
02-22-2011 | 07:11 PM
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Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 229
From: FL
OK guys heres the official service bulletin. I made a screenshot so you can see which vehicles with what year and vin ranges are affected.
*NOTE: some vehicles in those vin ranges are NOT affected.
also more additional information about specific dates and numbers of affected vehicles
*NOTE: some vehicles in those vin ranges are NOT affected.
also more additional information about specific dates and numbers of affected vehicles
My 09 Base is affected while my 2010 Sport is not. Good enough.
Thanks again bud.
#328
02-22-2011 | 07:16 PM
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Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,462
From: Vermont
Why I DO DECLARE... I am in for a recall...
Now to find out about my brother's fit.
LOL... not a significant defect. something where the entire block needs to be replaced.... that's significant. This is a Part that (I bolded & Underlined above) MAY.... I repeat MAY Bend... This I repeat... THIS... is not significant.
By this logic, any and every part of any engine that is recalled is significant. For this, they don't even have to take the whole engine apart, just take the head off.
Fitch... you said it yourself, you are paranoid. Paranoid people lean towards the pessimistic side so they'll only be pleasantly surprised. This is the reason I'm not telling my brother... he worked for a bookstore and a Harry potter book came up missing the day before it's release date.... IT WAS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT...
... oh... and I feel fine.
As I said before Paranoia runs rampant in forums (and on the internet).
Oh... and it is less than 5% of the cars that honda has sold in those two years. NOT major.
ooooh ooooooooooooooh... I think that was ME.... what do I win? I already have a big ass, can I get another prize?
I'd hedge a bet that the plant that had extras for the 2010's, doesn't produce as many fits as the one that was only 2009's. hence the reason that some of the parts hung around for the 2010 Recalling season.
Now... Do I call the dealer tomorrow to hound them? do I stop driving my car altogether until I get a piece of paper in the mail?
or do I put another 1K on the ODO using the car to get to and from work until I take it in for it's maintenance?
Decisions Decisions.
~SB
Now to find out about my brother's fit.
Yes, I have come to see it this way.
I would argue it IS a significant defect, anything resulting in a recall of this size by default IMO becomes a significant defect...but beyond that Honda themselves defines the problem thus:
"The lost motion springs, which are compressed by rocker arms in normal engine use, may bend or break over time resulting in abnormal engine noise and potentially causing engine damage or stalling."
Those are Honda's words NOT mine, and I'd call that a significant defect.
I like Honda, I like my Fit. Believe it or not, I don't think this recall is the end of the world....significant defect or not, it can be repaired. I understand all that...
But you are doing exactly what I see...redefining the whole situation in the most benign terms...it is NOT a free valve adjustment....
Maybe I'm just a different animal...but I can still like an automobile, I can still like Honda...but I don't feel I need to defend Honda, or shouldn't criticize them when they fail...and this IS a failure...
Somewhere inbetween "The Passion of The Fit" angst...and "It's a Free Valve Adjustment!"...is probably the truth....
I would argue it IS a significant defect, anything resulting in a recall of this size by default IMO becomes a significant defect...but beyond that Honda themselves defines the problem thus:
"The lost motion springs, which are compressed by rocker arms in normal engine use, may bend or break over time resulting in abnormal engine noise and potentially causing engine damage or stalling."
Those are Honda's words NOT mine, and I'd call that a significant defect.
I like Honda, I like my Fit. Believe it or not, I don't think this recall is the end of the world....significant defect or not, it can be repaired. I understand all that...
But you are doing exactly what I see...redefining the whole situation in the most benign terms...it is NOT a free valve adjustment....
Maybe I'm just a different animal...but I can still like an automobile, I can still like Honda...but I don't feel I need to defend Honda, or shouldn't criticize them when they fail...and this IS a failure...
Somewhere inbetween "The Passion of The Fit" angst...and "It's a Free Valve Adjustment!"...is probably the truth....
By this logic, any and every part of any engine that is recalled is significant. For this, they don't even have to take the whole engine apart, just take the head off.
Fitch... you said it yourself, you are paranoid. Paranoid people lean towards the pessimistic side so they'll only be pleasantly surprised. This is the reason I'm not telling my brother... he worked for a bookstore and a Harry potter book came up missing the day before it's release date.... IT WAS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT...
... oh... and I feel fine.
As I said before Paranoia runs rampant in forums (and on the internet).
Oh... and it is less than 5% of the cars that honda has sold in those two years. NOT major.
I'd hedge a bet that the plant that had extras for the 2010's, doesn't produce as many fits as the one that was only 2009's. hence the reason that some of the parts hung around for the 2010 Recalling season.
Now... Do I call the dealer tomorrow to hound them? do I stop driving my car altogether until I get a piece of paper in the mail?
or do I put another 1K on the ODO using the car to get to and from work until I take it in for it's maintenance?
Decisions Decisions.
~SB
Last edited by specboy; 02-22-2011 at 07:20 PM.
#329
02-22-2011 | 07:25 PM
When are you going in? I'm kind of curious how they'll react.
#330
02-22-2011 | 07:31 PM
That would require anything from a new cam, or some valves, guides and valve seats to a new cylinder head and pistons.
I see that a valve adjustment is part of the service, though can anybody explain why this is? Are they actually doing something to the valves, or do they need to be loosened to get in there?
I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts.
I'm all for a free valve adjustment, but I'm just curious how everything interacts
.
Basically in this post:
OK guys heres the official service bulletin. I made a screenshot so you can see which vehicles with what year and vin ranges are affected.
*NOTE: some vehicles in those vin ranges are NOT affected.
also more additional information about specific dates and numbers of affected vehicles
*One last thing I thought this forum was here for FIT lovers to help each other out not bicker. It's so sad
There should be a lot more informative info instead of a bunch of nonsense comments.
*NOTE: some vehicles in those vin ranges are NOT affected.
also more additional information about specific dates and numbers of affected vehicles
*One last thing I thought this forum was here for FIT lovers to help each other out not bicker. It's so sad
There should be a lot more informative info instead of a bunch of nonsense comments.But weird things happen and sometimes you get away with it. A friend of mine did a DOHC swap on a Nissan KA24DET in his beater "drift" car (S13 240) and had a cam gear bolt back out enough to let him break the dowel and managed to get back to the driveway under its own power where it died.
This is an interference motor BTW.
The next day I watched him rotate the crank through 720* with only one gear turning. Then we did a compression and leak down and everything was low, but good and tight.. Without doing anything beyond that he tightened bolt back down and fired it up. The thing is still running two years later.
I had a rocker arm pop off last spring when an HLA seized and it magically hurt nothing as well. Still a bitch because the cam had to come off but it could've been a lot worse.
But the Fit's valvetrain is FAR more advanced than the 1G/2G DSMs.
For example here is what the L15A1 looks like without a valve cover or rocker bridge:
This is a DSM head:
This is an H22A:
Edit: sorry about the gigantor pic.. working on it.
Last edited by DiamondStarMonsters; 02-22-2011 at 07:37 PM.
#333
02-22-2011 | 08:02 PM
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Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,899
From: tx
Looks like I'm qualified too. I'm not sure exactly about how the last part of the VINs line up with any actual procession, but from appearances, it looks like the first 27 '09s are not effected. That's hilarious, if true. What the hell happened?
#338
02-22-2011 | 08:33 PM
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,295
From: Wandering around.
What makes you guys think that?
The GDs also use L15s, but the rocker layout is different in the GD vs GE. And the VTEC engagement rpm, the fact the GE has VTC, etc.
That layout DSM put up is the layout for GD L15s.
The rocker layout in the GEs has one rocker shaped like an L with the adjacent rocker inside of the L.
The GDs also use L15s, but the rocker layout is different in the GD vs GE. And the VTEC engagement rpm, the fact the GE has VTC, etc.
That layout DSM put up is the layout for GD L15s.
The rocker layout in the GEs has one rocker shaped like an L with the adjacent rocker inside of the L.
