The END of FitDeez!!!?
#22
That is exactly what I have time and again warned would happen to cars that were dropped on extremely stiff springs... I screwed up doing the same thing to a VW Pickup 30 years ago... Dropping a car just to acquire a look will eventually take its toll on strut towers unless you just sit and look at the car instead of trying to use it for transportation... I learned the hard way and was told it was because I didn't know how to drive to I was an inbred moron that had sex with female relative by some damned guy in Hawaii......
#23
Nothing to worry about with linear springs like Swifts... It's progressive wound springs that build up rebound tension with very little compression that does this... This is why I won't use Eibachs.
#25
MNfit & Krimson, I completely agree with both of you that this should not happen. I merely pointed out the things that the OP modified on his car that added stress to the damaged area. That is exactly what Honda would do if they see his car with ANY of those mods.
As for there only being two spot welds on the shock tower, that is true of the 30% or so that we can see. For all we know those could be the only welds or it could be fully sonically welded on the other 70%.
Regardless, this exact failure would not happen in any other car I've owned, but I'm not all that surprised to see it in a heavily altered, cheapest/lightest Honda made. These cars are designed to work perfectly as delivered from the factory, but I doubt there is a lot of room for going beyond the design limits.
Don't get me wrong here. I have +40mm offset wheels, lower profile tires, a rear sway bar, and wouldn't hesitate to put coilovers or lowering springs on it. I'm simply saying that this particular damage happened to a car with serious changes to the suspension geometery and the shock tower welds were unable to handle the changes. I seriously doubt that this would happen to a stock car, but stock is boring.
As for there only being two spot welds on the shock tower, that is true of the 30% or so that we can see. For all we know those could be the only welds or it could be fully sonically welded on the other 70%.
Regardless, this exact failure would not happen in any other car I've owned, but I'm not all that surprised to see it in a heavily altered, cheapest/lightest Honda made. These cars are designed to work perfectly as delivered from the factory, but I doubt there is a lot of room for going beyond the design limits.
Don't get me wrong here. I have +40mm offset wheels, lower profile tires, a rear sway bar, and wouldn't hesitate to put coilovers or lowering springs on it. I'm simply saying that this particular damage happened to a car with serious changes to the suspension geometery and the shock tower welds were unable to handle the changes. I seriously doubt that this would happen to a stock car, but stock is boring.
#26
That is exactly what I have time and again warned would happen to cars that were dropped on extremely stiff springs... I screwed up doing the same thing to a VW Pickup 30 years ago... Dropping a car just to acquire a look will eventually take its toll on strut towers unless you just sit and look at the car instead of trying to use it for transportation... I learned the hard way and was told it was because I didn't know how to drive to I was an inbred moron that had sex with female relative by some damned guy in Hawaii......
#27
Yikes! When I saw your thread's title, I expected to see a photo of a wreck. I certainly didn't expect to see that.
Yup. Get it over to a reputable body shop and have 'em weld it up good. I think FitDEEZ will roll again. It's not a total.
Yup. Get it over to a reputable body shop and have 'em weld it up good. I think FitDEEZ will roll again. It's not a total.
#28
If I were you..... I'd delete this thread... The dealership will most likely suspect something fishy (I work as a tech at Acura) and this kind of thing, with a Car that has been plastered everywhere on the web.... Might get screwed By the pics. It's all over your Facebook, as are your car pics I'm assuming. They can search your name and boom. Picture evidence. Delete this
After it gets fixed/car replaced.... Then post back up.
After it gets fixed/car replaced.... Then post back up.
#29
HellaBroken.
That "barely driveable" sticker now seems prophetic...
Everyone here seems to be under the impression we make this stuff up to be a dick about what are seriously poor choices.
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I agree with eurobeaner they will take you to task on this.
That "barely driveable" sticker now seems prophetic...
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I agree with eurobeaner they will take you to task on this.
#31
How the hell is a strut tower brace going to help that? They are for lateral motion control.
And this is an already stiff area in a Fit, and most other cars.
The vibration and strain from his mods broke the welds in the vertical axis.
And this is an already stiff area in a Fit, and most other cars.
The vibration and strain from his mods broke the welds in the vertical axis.
#32
Hey maybe it's time to modify your strut towers! Cut, raise, and reinforce.
I don't know though, maybe you don't need to raise the towers if you're already laying frame/oil pan/whatever is lowest on GE8s.
I don't know though, maybe you don't need to raise the towers if you're already laying frame/oil pan/whatever is lowest on GE8s.
#33
That is exactly what I have time and again warned would happen to cars that were dropped on extremely stiff springs... I screwed up doing the same thing to a VW Pickup 30 years ago... Dropping a car just to acquire a look will eventually take its toll on strut towers unless you just sit and look at the car instead of trying to use it for transportation......
Yeah, I've broken a lot of stuff in my day, but I didn't blame the manufacture and post a "warning" to all owners.
I blew an intake into a bunch of little pieces with a nitrous backfire one time, but I didn't suggest that the manufacture should have built an intake to handle nitrous backfires. It was my own stupidity trying to stuff a 200hp shot down a factory intake. I learned from my mistake and backed it down to a 150 shot and then had a bone stock looking car (even under the hood) running 11's
I blew an intake into a bunch of little pieces with a nitrous backfire one time, but I didn't suggest that the manufacture should have built an intake to handle nitrous backfires. It was my own stupidity trying to stuff a 200hp shot down a factory intake. I learned from my mistake and backed it down to a 150 shot and then had a bone stock looking car (even under the hood) running 11's
... I agree...
Last edited by phenoyz; 01-05-2012 at 09:20 PM.
#34
Yeah, I've broken a lot of stuff in my day, but I didn't blame the manufacture and post a "warning" to all owners.
I blew an intake into a bunch of little pieces with a nitrous backfire one time, but I didn't suggest that the manufacture should have built an intake to handle nitrous backfires. It was my own stupidity trying to stuff a 200hp shot down a factory intake. I learned from my mistake and backed it down to a 150 shot and then had a bone stock looking car (even under the hood) running 11's
#35
Report this to your insurance company. Tell them you were driving along when suddenly you hit a massive pothole or that you had to swerve to avoid a car coming at you and jumped a curb. The car was driving funny and so you looked and found this.
I am insurance adjuster in NJ and look at these cars all day long. The adjuster in the office will take your word for it. There will be a guy who comes out to look at it and he will probably say he has never seen anything like it.
The dealership will probably find a way to get out of it.
I am insurance adjuster in NJ and look at these cars all day long. The adjuster in the office will take your word for it. There will be a guy who comes out to look at it and he will probably say he has never seen anything like it.
The dealership will probably find a way to get out of it.
#36
I should also thank the OP for posting this. We now know what will fail first if you do extreme suspension and wheel mods on your daily driven Fit. Someone has to be the guinea pig and I'm sorry that it was you, but the entire Fit community is better for your findings. This is a normal procedure to any of us that have modified multiple vehicles and broken stuff. Someone has to find the design limitations.
We now know that if you are planning on extreme suspension geometery changes it is a good idea to have your upper shock tower plate fully welded to avoid breakage. Thank you!
We now know that if you are planning on extreme suspension geometery changes it is a good idea to have your upper shock tower plate fully welded to avoid breakage. Thank you!
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#38
BTW, the part which is broken is called an Inner Fender Panel Assembly or the Apron. Part#60750TK6A00ZZ $180.00
According to the ADP database, it will take 11.8 hours to replace and 1.4 hours to refinish.
According to the ADP database, it will take 11.8 hours to replace and 1.4 hours to refinish.
#40
If it were my car, I'd order that part and take the car to a chassis shop. I have friends that build race car chassis and they would see this as a fairly normal job.