It's a different (white) sticker from the one with the psi nos. It's lower down and facing out as you open the door. Mine says 10/09 so I'm probably going to be recalled. If only I'd bought my car a couple of months later!

 

Most of the recalls have been an easy fix. This is a bigger deal but not that bad. It seems that the recall is preventive maintenance to a future problem and you get the valves adjusted too.

As far as Honda being responsible, Its a business and fixing the problem instead of waiting gives them publicity weather its positive or not. It shows they are willing to lose money, but they get free advertising at the same time. Maybe they are trying to sell the CR Z and get the attention off of buying the Fit.

 

I'll raise my hand and say that one got me. My '97 Caddy had that engine and when the HG blew it was a matter of deciding whether it was just the HG at that point, or a cracked engine block as well. My mechanic suggested I don't spend a ton of money finding out- cut the losses and move on. And I did. I bought that immaculate car for 4,500 bucks from a guy who treated it like a baby. One year later, it screwed me. Really, a total loss. That was last bad decision I will ever make when it comes to cars. Soon after I bought the Fit. I'm not thrilled about a recall possibility, but so be it. Fix it, move on. There's too much other shit to stress over. This I will let go of and just get done.

Dan

 

This will be my last post in this thread. I am sure you are an intelligent person in real life in your field of expertise or interest, but this is clearly an area in which you are talking out your ass. It really isn't as cut and dry as you are pretending. I don't feel like running through a full dissertation on how parts can wind up distributed across different samples of cars made even in the same plant, because you will just dismiss it as "speculation." Like you did with Goobers, who is absolutely spot on with what he is telling you. Not all opinions are equal, yours is off the mark. You need to cut your losses and leave this topic alone. Again, you sound ridiculous. You seem like a smart, nice person but this is clearly not an area that you are well versed in. It's like when people who have never built or tuned an engine chime in on other threads with how they "think" it works. Sometimes if you keep your mouth closed, you won't wind up with your foot in it. This is a topic where you should sit back and listen instead of appealing to what you "feel" about the situation. You also haven't listened to what I and others have tried to relate with regard to recalls and revisions and how difficult it is to track down stuff like what springs, bearings, HLA's etc went where. It really is not black and white like you are insisting.

 

Ugh why is my formatting so f*cked all the sudden? Won't even allow for quotation marks.. or breaks between sections.

 

maybe the browser? Or the server.

You see in my sig, there are three chinese characters (if you wanna know, google translate, hehe)... well, last night, while I was online, Chrome browser REFUSED to show the first character in my sig. If I copied it to some other spot in the browser or looked at a re-translation of it, it showed up fine!

Opened up IE or Firefox... shows up fine too! Eventually, Chrome decided to play nice.

 

Well-it is what it is deal with it! I'm not happy ---my local Honda dealer went out of business and its 120 miles to the closest dealer. I think Honda knowing this was coming could have coordinated a better information campaign. From what I have been reading some of the angst is over whether it is a problem with lubrication, design, or materials.
Some media reporting is indicating that they (Honda) will inspect and replace if necessary and other reporting is indicating they are going to replace all affected vehicles up to point they changed their specs. So I think Honda could have got out in front of this better explaining the problem and what the fix entails and could have offered some guidance on use of the vehicle until the problem is corrected. Just announcing the recall and indicating they will let you know if it effects you invites all kinds of speculation as to what is going on. HONDA PR should have been way out ahead on this to maintain confidence in their customer base. The "owner link" should have been coordinated with the public announcement.

 

I made a thread in November about this same problem. When they say it may result in engine stalling, I'm pretty sure they mean as a side effect of total engine failure. When my engine went blooey I was definitely below 5300rpm so probably did not have v-tec engaged. It could have broken previously however, and the part rolling around inside didn't get jammed up into the wrong place till later on. I didn't hear any strange noises before or anything else that would indicate something was wrong. Just my two cents.

 

Was it under warranty? That could be why the recall and explains why there is not alot of info.

 

Funny how if you agree with someone there opinion is "spot on" but of course if you disagree, then the other person "sounds ridiculous, should keep there mouth closed, and is talking out of there ass."

Quite frankly BS. I never made a statement saying I was correct or Goobers or anyone was "wrong". I simply asked....is this speculation or known fact? I kept it posed as a question...

Also, while I'll ADMIT to not having the full picture...I am NOT talking out of my ass...My father works for a company that provides components to Honda and other automotive companies. He works in quality control. I'll tell you what I DO know about recalls and quality control and components...

Once a part be it an engine spring, or airbag circuit, or accelerator pedal shim..is deemed faulty or substandard and it's failure in normal operation could result in an accident or a fatality...then it becomes a safety and liability issue for Honda. It's NOT restocking cold chicken with hot chicken at an all you can eat restaurant.

Honda THEMSELVES came to the determination that the specifications for this engine spring needed to be changed. They evidently implemented this specification change at a given point.

They cannot legally "mix" parts they themselves have found to be faulty or substandard in of which their failure could result in liability...

Again, my father works in QC...his job is multi-fold...but in general he is charged with certain responsibilities. 1. is to create a component that meets Honda's (or whatever manufacturers) specifications. 2. is to maintain and implement a system that monitors the continued quality of those components...making sure they continue to be created at the level of specification requested and desired. 3. To have safeguards in place to determine if a batch get's inadverdently produced that is substandard. To hopefully remove it from the supply stream...before it reaches Honda and/or get's installed in a vehicle...to avoid recalls..

Trust me...really it's NOT speculation..but if Honda changes the specifications for a part..if THEY decide to change the specifications because they foresee potential liability issues (stalling engines makes this recall fit that definition) they will not, cannot simply "use up dem bad parts"...the components will be removed from the supply stream A.S.A.P..

In Quality Control...if you determine a problem...you make the change as cleanly and quickly as possible...

This is NOT a situation where you can afford to be like a little kid cleaning his plate..."waste not, want not"...Once Honda determined a specification change was needed and should be implemented...at that point...the old chicken was bad......you throw it out...

I admit, my P.O.V. and information comes from what I've discussed with my father from his job and his P.O.V. which is as a supplier of components...

You want to disagree with me? Fine. Yeah, I could be wrong. Honda could of determined a change in specification should be implemented..but decided just to use up the last of the "bad" springs...???? But I doubt it.

What is clear...is what we ALL KNOW. Which is a LOT of Honda Fits have Lost Motion Springs that Honda themselves has decided should be replaced. We also know....some Honda Fits...produced after a certain date do not need this replacement. The only debatable issue is exactly how the transistion from spring A to spring B came about.

From my P.O.V....speculation and opinion, I would be very suprised IF Honda "mixed" parts....once they themselves determined a specification change was deemed.

But believe what you want to believe. Because I'll admit I can't prove it. But I know from a suppliers P.O.V. once something is deemed a safety issue...you cannot simply let the parts that are substandard be used knowingly...

So before you go accusing someone of talking out of there ass, make sure you aren't talking out of yours..

All I did was ask....Do you know this as a fact? If we are both speculating, and I believe we are...I leave it to individuals to determine the validity of either scenario....

 

Yeah, warranty.

I would also add it could be a safety concern if for example you were trying to accelerate through an intersection, say when making a left hand turn and suddenly stalled in front of oncoming traffic.

 

What I have learned from this thread:

1. People who live in glass houses......should get dressed in the basement.
2. Mechanics who work at Honda dealerships run the gamut from chimps in overalls to Oxford graduates in tuxedos.
3. Honda engineers were present on the grassy knoll INDEPENDANT of Oswald.
5. I'll be contacted in March to schedule a repair to fix a potential problem.

Does that about cover it?

 

ahhh i found the sticker! man that thing is sneaky. mine says 09/09 does that mean iam apart of the recall?

 

I don't think anyone knows for sure but it seems that 11/09 is the cusp. Everything after is ok, everything on or before is possibly defective. But this is all from pieced together info so hang tight and see how it works itself out. Honda will let ypu know if your'e recalled. That is basically all anyone can do at this point.

 

Fitchet

There's one constant about your arguments.

You assume they knew it was faulty and ignore all other possibilities as to why they made a change.

Heres the reason I am banking on. They weren't sure of the long term issue. And so they changed the spec to something with a slightly larger margin of "error" (flexibility, whatever). They did NOT deem at the time that the old spring was faulty, only that it was possibly too stringent on the parameters.

You say I am speculating... Of corse I am, I don't work for Honda, nor was I present during the entire production life of every single Fit.

However, neither were you. You cannot constant include your speculation that they KNEW, while acting as if you're "weren't saying that at all."

 

I too shall speculate...

I agree on not knowing. The spring specification could have been changed to meet needs of other vehicles that the L15 is used in. (CR-Z, Freed, etc...) so they may have moved ALL L15's to the new spring type to buy in greater volume at a better discount. The same spring may also be used in the K20, K24, or any other engine in the lineup and the upgrade may have been done to meet those standards, AND THEN, the issue was discovered on the old springs.

Really, we just don't know.

I'm thinking about giving up cars all together because of this. Jetpacks. There's the future, Jetpacks.

~SB

 

Screw jetpacks.

Beam me up Scotty!

 

This sounds the most right to me. There's a wide range of options in between doing nothing and issuing a recall. If the issue were slightly less severe, they might have decided to upgrade the spring in future manufacturing, and being really generous with warranty and good will (ie out of warranty) work relating to the issue. There are more options than just everything is perfect and recall every vehicle.

 

I'm not sure if anyone is clear on this, but his dad works in quality control, and through genetics, he's inherited all knowledge of said subject.

 

Does his eyes glow? Does he occasionally speak in a deeper voice and demand we worship him as a god?

hehe.