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Old 05-03-2009, 03:30 PM
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What is the RPM at highway driving?

What is the rpm for 2009 5MT at 55 mph, 60, 65 and 70?

I heard some people feel the car is geared too low for highway cruising.

My altima runs at 2500 at 65 mph.

My brother's 95 mazda 626 used to be much higher - around 3500 rpm for the same speed.
 
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this has been discussed before. there is at least a couple of threads
on this do a search. you'll find plenty.
 
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Oh, thanks for the links. I did try the search and didn't succeed at first. Now i see. Geez, sounds like MT is turning really high at highway cruising. Wears out the engine faster than the AUTO now im second guessing the fit vs yaris.
 

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Old 05-03-2009, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by john21031
Oh, thanks for the links. I did try the search and didn't succeed at first. Now i see. Geez, sounds like MT is turning really high at highway cruising. Wears out the engine faster than the AUTO now im second guessing the fit vs yaris.
The engine will be the last thing to wear out on this car. In fact, I'd wager you'll need to replace your auto tranny before you'd need to replace the engine in a manual . . .
 
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Honda and high rpm cruising has been common place for a loooooong time. And honda engines last forever, still.

Don't you think the honda engineers took highway RPM into account when they were building the car and engine?
 
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The engine will be the last thing to wear out on this car. In fact, I'd wager you'll need to replace your auto tranny before you'd need to replace the engine in a manual . . .
This man speaks the truth. Im tired of people saying the 5MT gets worse gas mileage or is gonna blow up cause it cruises at almost 4000k. I get 40+ mpg revving at 4000k highway every day. Passing cars is sooo easy and the response is great. Honda would not make it like this if it was harmful to the engine.
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 12:18 AM
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Well think about it, 3000 rmp vs 2500 is an additional 20% of revolutions added. This means 20% more bearing wear, and piston ring travel, based on the amount of frictional movement alone.

How often we see those hondas smoke and burn oil? well, that's often because their compression and oil rings are worn out to the point that it makes the engine use oil.

I think the fit was primarily designed as a japanese city car, where short gearing is more appropriate. Remember, only russia, canad, and australia are anywhere close to the US in sheer land size... well, americans are known to drive A LOT on the hwy vs the rest of the world.

by having high revolving engine, the power is readily available when needed, yet I think it sacrifices on longevity and possibly fuel economy.

I heard that when a passenger car cruises on the leveled hwy it only used about 20 hp to maintain speed. Power is need on uphills and while accelerating.

Anyway, I am kind of saddened to learn the FIT's engine is working so hard while just cruising...
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:29 AM
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you're fairly short of being a troll.

have you heard of warranty before?
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by john21031
Oh, thanks for the links. I did try the search and didn't succeed at first. Now i see. Geez, sounds like MT is turning really high at highway cruising. Wears out the engine faster than the AUTO now im second guessing the fit vs yaris.
FWIW, I know a few Yaris owners and they'd all kill to be driving a Fit.
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by john21031
Anyway, I am kind of saddened to learn the FIT's engine is working so hard while just cruising...
IMO, you should look at different cars than the Fit, I don't think it's going to make you happy.
 
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Forget a different car. He should go back riding a bike.
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by qbmurderer13
This man speaks the truth. Im tired of people saying the 5MT gets worse gas mileage or is gonna blow up cause it cruises at almost 4000k. I get 40+ mpg revving at 4000k highway every day. Passing cars is sooo easy and the response is great. Honda would not make it like this if it was harmful to the engine.
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If you are very rpm conscious, keep away from the Honda S2000. That runs about 3200 rpm at 60 mph in (sixth) gear. Their engines have proven to be fairly reliable. The biggest cause of engine failure seems to be an accidental 6-2 or 5-2 downshift at 75 mph, when 6-4 or 5-4 were intended. I do like the lesser rpm of the Fit automatic at highway speeds (2100 rpm in top gear vs. 2800 rpm for the manual). However, the tiniest pressure above cruise throttle at 60 mph causes the torque converter to wind up and bring the rpm's close to that same 2800. Small displacement engine = high rpm characteristics = design for longevity at fairly high rpm.
 
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I actually came from an S2000 too so I guess that's why rpm's never bothered me. I would turn almost 4600rpm on the highway every day. Car never had any problems. Even at sustained 7000+rpm during autocross.

But the most common form of disaster in the S2K community is the 3rd to 2nd mis shift during redline. Sends all the valves to hell I know at least 2 guys that did this.
 
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Originally Posted by qbmurderer13
I actually came from an S2000 too so I guess that's why rpm's never bothered me. I would turn almost 4600rpm on the highway every day. Car never had any problems. Even at sustained 7000+rpm during autocross.

But the most common form of disaster in the S2K community is the 3rd to 2nd mis shift during redline. Sends all the valves to hell I know at least 2 guys that did this.
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Yep. 3-2 when 3-4 intended. 12000 rpm kills 'em every time. S2000 redline is 9000 rpm on 2003 and earlier; 8000 rpm after that.
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:44 PM
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In the BMW world, we call that kind of shift "the money shift". It's where money shifts from your pocket to your mechanic's.
 
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Roughly (and neglecting air resistance)

60mph @ 2850rpm (MT), @ 2100rpm (AT)
65mph @ 3100rpm (MT), @ 2300rpm (AT)
70mph @ 3300rpm (MT), @ 2500rpm (AT)
75mph @ 3550rpm (MT), @ 2650rpm (AT)

(For the 2009 Fit)
 
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cojaro
Roughly (and neglecting air resistance)

60mph @ 2850rpm (MT), @ 2100rpm (AT)
65mph @ 3100rpm (MT), @ 2300rpm (AT)
70mph @ 3300rpm (MT), @ 2500rpm (AT)
75mph @ 3550rpm (MT), @ 2650rpm (AT)

(For the 2009 Fit)
For a stick, wind resistance wouldn't affect RPM at a particular speed anyway. You might need a more open throttle position to maintain your speed into a headwind, but the RPM would be the same . . . unless you have some major clutch slippage, but then you probably wouldn't be going fast anyway.

I haven't really driven an automatic in years. Does a torque converter these days still allow enough slip at high rpm such that your RPM could surge if you were hit with a headwind and the cruise was trying to keep it at a constant speed without downshifting?
 
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Old 05-05-2009, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by john21031
Well think about it, 3000 rmp vs 2500 is an additional 20% of revolutions added. This means 20% more bearing wear, and piston ring travel, based on the amount of frictional movement alone.
Sorry to sound nitpicky - but that's a logical fallacy . . . 20% higher rpms doesn't equate to 20% more wear on the engine. When your engine oil is doing it's job, engine wear is ZERO, no matter how many times the piston is going up and down a minute.
 
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Originally Posted by Daemione
Sorry to sound nitpicky - but that's a logical fallacy . . . 20% higher rpms doesn't equate to 20% more wear on the engine. When your engine oil is doing it's job, engine wear is ZERO, no matter how many times the piston is going up and down a minute.
That's wrong too. Any time your engine is running, wear is happening. Oil just minimizes wear.

The 3 to 4 shift is an easy shift if proper shifting techniques are used. Turn your hand over and cup the shifter so your palm is facing away. This ensures a proper shift.

Too many people grab the shifter normally and thus, pull it towards them and end up in second.

There's no reason anyone should shift from 3rd to second if proper shifting techniques are used.
 


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