Fit vs. Civic Hybrid... who will win?!
#1
01-02-2009, 02:36 AM
Fit vs. Civic Hybrid... who will win?!
Edmunds.com compares the 2009 Honda Fit sport to the Civic Hybrid. Great video footage and stats with some interesting findings, such as:
It will take a Civic Hybrid owner 26 years to make up the cost difference of a Fit with the gas money they save!
YouTube - Honda Civic Hybrid vs. Honda Fit Sport Comparo
A quick summary of the video...
The Fit wins
It will take a Civic Hybrid owner 26 years to make up the cost difference of a Fit with the gas money they save!
YouTube - Honda Civic Hybrid vs. Honda Fit Sport Comparo
A quick summary of the video...
The Fit wins
#6
01-02-2009, 08:04 AM
The problem with that comparison is its out-of-date.
Early next spring Honda brings a new hybrid Civic to market that costs only a couple of thousand bucks over an equivalent Fit. And it has a lot more room inside, especially the back seat, and gets better mpg than the current hybrid Civic.
Even though gas is back under $2 a gallon, most car owners don't believe it will stay there and near $3 per gallon is what it will reach (check the Saudi Oil Production Minister interview on 60 minutes saying OPEC wants to 'stabilize' crude at $75 per barrel).
The new Civic hybrid is a minimum size to cart today's family around at the minimum gas cost.
That's why the new hybrid Civic will sell in much greater numbers than the Fit, if they can produce enough.
Just in case you wonder, the 'current' Civic sold a lot more cars than did Fit simply because it offered more room at at least equal mpg. The Fit is meant for 2 passenger transportation, the Civic for 4.
Just in case you want to do the math:
A Fit at 32 mpg requires $21.88 per fillup of $2.80 gas at 250 miles.
A hybrid at 42 mpg needs $16.60 per fillup likewise.
Thats $5.28 per fillup difference; it takes 378.8 fillups to make up for the purchase cost differential
of $2000.
If you fill up twice a week as I do thats 189.3 weeks, or 3.64 years. In that 3.64 years I will drive only 48,000 miles. My Hondas have always lasted 150,000 miles or more so I will profit for the last 102,00 miles. Thats 408 fillups I will save $5.28 at least, or $2154. (normal COL will say by then the difference will exceed$6.0 per fillup at $3.50/gal)
Add the extra wholesale value for my Honda hybrid, estimated at least $2000 more than a Fit in equal condition, and I profit by more than $4000. And I had room for the whole family much easier than my Fit does. (We have had 4 Civic sedans/coupes)
And thats why the Fit hybrid, called the Insight (again), will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
Japanese spy photos show a slightly downsized Civic circa 2004 version. Probably saves a lot on body tooling.
Last edited by mahout; 01-02-2009 at 12:53 PM.
#7
01-02-2009, 09:40 AM
I don't know where you got that info. They're both 5 passenger cars and the fit has more cargo room.
The Fit hybrid doesn't exist.
And thats why the Fit hybrid will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
#8
01-02-2009, 11:57 AM
The problem with that comparison is its out-of-date.
Early next spring Honda brings a new hybrid Civic to market that costs only a couple of thousand bucks over an equivalent Fit. And it has a lot more room inside, especially the back seat, and gets better mpg than the current hybrid Civic.
Even though gas is back under $2 a gallon, most car owners don't believe it will stay there and near $3 per gallon is what it will reach (check the Saudi Oil Production Minister interview on 60 minutes saying OPEC wants to 'stabilize' crude at $75 per barrel).
The new Civic hybrid is a minimum size to cart today's family around at the minimum gas cost.
That's why the new hybrid Civic will sell in much greater numbers than the Fit, if they can produce enough.
Just in case you wonder, the 'current' Civic sold a lot more cars than did Fit simply because it offered more room at at least equal mpg. The Fit is meant for 2 passenger transportation, the Civic for 4.
Just in case you want to do the math:
A Fit at 32 mpg requires $21.88 per fillup of $2.80 gas at 250 miles.
A hybrid at 42 mpg needs $16.60 per fillup likewise.
Thats $5.28 per fillup difference; it takes 378.8 fillups to make up for the purchase cost differential
of $2000.
If you fill up twice a week as I do thats 189.3 weeks, or 3.64 years. In that 3.64 years I will drive only 48,000 miles. My Hondas have always lasted 150,000 miles or more so I will profit for the last 102,00 miles. Thats 408 fillups I will save $5.28 at least, or $2154. (normal COL will say by then the difference will exceed$6.0 per fillup at $3.50/gal)
Add the extra wholesale value for my Honda hybrid, estimated at least $2000 more than a Fit in equal condition, and I profit by more than $4000. And I had room for the whole family much easier than my Fit does. (We have had 4 Civic sedans/coupes)
And thats why the Fit hybrid will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
Early next spring Honda brings a new hybrid Civic to market that costs only a couple of thousand bucks over an equivalent Fit. And it has a lot more room inside, especially the back seat, and gets better mpg than the current hybrid Civic.
Even though gas is back under $2 a gallon, most car owners don't believe it will stay there and near $3 per gallon is what it will reach (check the Saudi Oil Production Minister interview on 60 minutes saying OPEC wants to 'stabilize' crude at $75 per barrel).
The new Civic hybrid is a minimum size to cart today's family around at the minimum gas cost.
That's why the new hybrid Civic will sell in much greater numbers than the Fit, if they can produce enough.
Just in case you wonder, the 'current' Civic sold a lot more cars than did Fit simply because it offered more room at at least equal mpg. The Fit is meant for 2 passenger transportation, the Civic for 4.
Just in case you want to do the math:
A Fit at 32 mpg requires $21.88 per fillup of $2.80 gas at 250 miles.
A hybrid at 42 mpg needs $16.60 per fillup likewise.
Thats $5.28 per fillup difference; it takes 378.8 fillups to make up for the purchase cost differential
of $2000.
If you fill up twice a week as I do thats 189.3 weeks, or 3.64 years. In that 3.64 years I will drive only 48,000 miles. My Hondas have always lasted 150,000 miles or more so I will profit for the last 102,00 miles. Thats 408 fillups I will save $5.28 at least, or $2154. (normal COL will say by then the difference will exceed$6.0 per fillup at $3.50/gal)
Add the extra wholesale value for my Honda hybrid, estimated at least $2000 more than a Fit in equal condition, and I profit by more than $4000. And I had room for the whole family much easier than my Fit does. (We have had 4 Civic sedans/coupes)
And thats why the Fit hybrid will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
#9
01-02-2009, 12:51 PM
My family can only take a trip in the Fit if my short wife drives; if I drive even she doesn't have enough knee room. Our Civic has no such problem. Compare the fed front and rear volumes and see. Many vehicles advertised as 4 passenger vehicles aren't for full-sized Americans. The only minibox that can is the Versa.
The Fit hybrid (not the Civic Insight as others so posted) is scheduled for 2012 to 2015, after the complete redesign of the Fit. The Civic hybrid is marketed this spring (09).
There is no current Fit hybrid as there isn't room. The next redesign will accomodate hybrid mechanicals.
Last edited by mahout; 01-10-2009 at 03:04 PM.
#10
01-02-2009, 01:01 PM
Actually I did as the reason for such low estimates for the resale value of a hybrid takes into account a new battery, which is believed to be in the $500 or less cost rangefor the Civic Insight.
All those estimates of $3000 batteries including ones by myself, have failed to come true; Toyota for example is already pricing replacements well under $1000 for the Prius. Honda's shouldn't be much different and perhaps cheaper because the type of battery and the system favored by Honda is less costly to make.
Once the plug-in technology takes hold hybrids will go straight to the head of the class.
Now if the Democrats get busy with nuclear power generation of electricity we'll be OK. Otherwise. we'll have to recharge only at night.
(insufficient capacity during daytime and early evening for hordes of hybrids in use.)
cheers.
Last edited by mahout; 01-10-2009 at 03:06 PM.
#11
01-03-2009, 02:27 PM
The problem with that comparison is its out-of-date.
Early next spring Honda brings a new hybrid Civic to market that costs only a couple of thousand bucks over an equivalent Fit. And it has a lot more room inside, especially the back seat, and gets better mpg than the current hybrid Civic.
Even though gas is back under $2 a gallon, most car owners don't believe it will stay there and near $3 per gallon is what it will reach (check the Saudi Oil Production Minister interview on 60 minutes saying OPEC wants to 'stabilize' crude at $75 per barrel).
The new Civic hybrid is a minimum size to cart today's family around at the minimum gas cost.
That's why the new hybrid Civic will sell in much greater numbers than the Fit, if they can produce enough.
Just in case you wonder, the 'current' Civic sold a lot more cars than did Fit simply because it offered more room at at least equal mpg. The Fit is meant for 2 passenger transportation, the Civic for 4.
Just in case you want to do the math:
A Fit at 32 mpg requires $21.88 per fillup of $2.80 gas at 250 miles.
A hybrid at 42 mpg needs $16.60 per fillup likewise.
Thats $5.28 per fillup difference; it takes 378.8 fillups to make up for the purchase cost differential
of $2000.
If you fill up twice a week as I do thats 189.3 weeks, or 3.64 years. In that 3.64 years I will drive only 48,000 miles. My Hondas have always lasted 150,000 miles or more so I will profit for the last 102,00 miles. Thats 408 fillups I will save $5.28 at least, or $2154. (normal COL will say by then the difference will exceed$6.0 per fillup at $3.50/gal)
Add the extra wholesale value for my Honda hybrid, estimated at least $2000 more than a Fit in equal condition, and I profit by more than $4000. And I had room for the whole family much easier than my Fit does. (We have had 4 Civic sedans/coupes)
And thats why the Fit hybrid, called the Insight (again), will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
Japanese spy photos show a slightly downsized Civic circa 2004 version. Probably saves a lot on body tooling.
Early next spring Honda brings a new hybrid Civic to market that costs only a couple of thousand bucks over an equivalent Fit. And it has a lot more room inside, especially the back seat, and gets better mpg than the current hybrid Civic.
Even though gas is back under $2 a gallon, most car owners don't believe it will stay there and near $3 per gallon is what it will reach (check the Saudi Oil Production Minister interview on 60 minutes saying OPEC wants to 'stabilize' crude at $75 per barrel).
The new Civic hybrid is a minimum size to cart today's family around at the minimum gas cost.
That's why the new hybrid Civic will sell in much greater numbers than the Fit, if they can produce enough.
Just in case you wonder, the 'current' Civic sold a lot more cars than did Fit simply because it offered more room at at least equal mpg. The Fit is meant for 2 passenger transportation, the Civic for 4.
Just in case you want to do the math:
A Fit at 32 mpg requires $21.88 per fillup of $2.80 gas at 250 miles.
A hybrid at 42 mpg needs $16.60 per fillup likewise.
Thats $5.28 per fillup difference; it takes 378.8 fillups to make up for the purchase cost differential
of $2000.
If you fill up twice a week as I do thats 189.3 weeks, or 3.64 years. In that 3.64 years I will drive only 48,000 miles. My Hondas have always lasted 150,000 miles or more so I will profit for the last 102,00 miles. Thats 408 fillups I will save $5.28 at least, or $2154. (normal COL will say by then the difference will exceed$6.0 per fillup at $3.50/gal)
Add the extra wholesale value for my Honda hybrid, estimated at least $2000 more than a Fit in equal condition, and I profit by more than $4000. And I had room for the whole family much easier than my Fit does. (We have had 4 Civic sedans/coupes)
And thats why the Fit hybrid, called the Insight (again), will outsell the Fit by a wide margin.
Japanese spy photos show a slightly downsized Civic circa 2004 version. Probably saves a lot on body tooling.
You also didn't include the cost of having to rent a pickup whenever you need to carry anything.
#13
01-03-2009, 09:59 PM
Actually I did as the reason for such low estimates for the resale value of a hybrid takes into account a new battery, which is believed to be in the $500 or less cost range.
All those estimates of $3000 batteries including ones by myself, have failed to come true; Toyota for example is already pricing replacements well under $1000 for the Prius. Honda's shouldn't be much different and perhaps cheaper because the type of battery favored by Honda is less costly to make.
Once the plug-in technology takes hold hybrids will go straight to the head of the class.
Now if the Democrats get busy with nuclear power generation of electricity we'll be OK. Otherwise. we'll have to recharge only at night.
(insufficient capacity during daytime and early evening for hordes of hybrids in use.)
cheers.
All those estimates of $3000 batteries including ones by myself, have failed to come true; Toyota for example is already pricing replacements well under $1000 for the Prius. Honda's shouldn't be much different and perhaps cheaper because the type of battery favored by Honda is less costly to make.
Once the plug-in technology takes hold hybrids will go straight to the head of the class.
Now if the Democrats get busy with nuclear power generation of electricity we'll be OK. Otherwise. we'll have to recharge only at night.
(insufficient capacity during daytime and early evening for hordes of hybrids in use.)
cheers.
TOYOTA OPEN ROAD BLOG: Prius Battery Change is No Big Deal
Of course, with many original batteries lasting past 100k miles, and some pushing 400k miles, even that $3k price gets amortized over a bunch of mileage.
RE: Fit rear legroom... maybe the 09's have more room, because at 6' with 34" inseam Levis, I can set the driver's seat with proper leg extension for me and then sit in the back seat and the front of my pant legs will barely brush the driver's seatback (unless I slouch down in the seat). I think the Fit's fine for 4 but too narrow for 5.
Last edited by txmatt; 01-03-2009 at 10:07 PM.
#14
01-08-2009, 04:21 PM
, how will I never recoup this? What you have to spend $2000 on the battery every 5-8 years?
Oh yea, did anyone forget how sexy the Insight is?
Last edited by Tastycakes; 01-08-2009 at 04:25 PM.
#16
01-10-2009, 03:02 PM
Not only that but the cost is down in the hundreds of dollars. not thousands Better yet the Honda system is much simpler and places less hardship on the battery so that assists making the battery last longer.
#17
01-10-2009, 03:09 PM
Where did you hear that the price for the Civic Hybrid will be coming down? I was under the impression that it was the new Insight that was coming with with a cost near 18k.
You also didn't include the cost of having to rent a pickup whenever you need to carry anything.
You also didn't include the cost of having to rent a pickup whenever you need to carry anything.
The new Civic hybrid is the Insight (photos all over automotive news sources). Looks like a Civic 4 door to me.
The Fit is a runabout; the Insight is a 4 door family carrier that gets over 40 mpg.
I don't know about you but my Fit won't hold enough for me to get rid of my pickup.
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