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Old 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM
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Not sure if this helps---don't have problem with 08---mind you we have only experienced -7 to 9 degrees celius so far with the fit. May have to do heated seats some how when it reaches -30 range.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:27 AM
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The manufacturers seem to have a problem with putting proper guages in their vehicles, but there are certainly after-market ones available from auto supply stores. The trick is to find functional units that can be calibrated and that don't look out of place in the Fit's instrument panel.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by halfmoonclip
Sciroccos were VW sport coupes in the 70's; they were based on the Golf (Rabbit) and had a transverse engine like our Fits...they were also hard to get totally refilled with coolant after a replacement. They also had a temp gauge, which made diagnosing the problem a little easier....
Anyway, stay warm all.
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oh god i remember my sciroccos also. last one i had was a 1988.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:06 AM
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How does a block heater cause temperature fluctuations?
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:50 AM
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No idea but "txmatt" offered this plausible explanation: "apparently they thought it was somehow related to the coolant/cooling system since they attempted to bleed it and added antifreeze (a/f). I'm guessing the block heater heats the coolant in the block and they likely drained all or part of the coolant when they originally installed it and didn't get the system fully bled when they refilled the coolant/antifreeze."

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How does a block heater cause temperature fluctuations?
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by neteng101
I can provide 2 options to help with monitoring coolant temperatures, using the OBD2 port...

ScanGaugeII - Trip Computers + Digital Gauges + Scan Tool

Davis | Automotive | CarChip Products

I have the CarChip from a few years ago (mine's the old serial port version) but I'd say the ScanGauge II is the way to go.
I use ScanGauge II, takes less than five minutes to install, useful and cheap. Google for the best price. I found a guy in Toronto selling them for less than a group buy in the USA and Canada. He owns a garage I believe.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FitCanada_Girl
No idea but "txmatt" offered this plausible explanation: "apparently they thought it was somehow related to the coolant/cooling system since they attempted to bleed it and added antifreeze (a/f). I'm guessing the block heater heats the coolant in the block and they likely drained all or part of the coolant when they originally installed it and didn't get the system fully bled when they refilled the coolant/antifreeze."
Real laugh having a block heater as an option, at least in Canada and the northern/mountain area of the USA.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:28 PM
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How DOES the OEM block heater work?

Doing some googling since now my curiosity has been peaked as to how my heating issue was linked to my block heater. Most 'block' heaters consist of small electrical heating elements mounted into a replacement 'frost plug' installed on the engine block. The heating element reaches into the cooling jacket surrounding the cylinders so that it is directly immersed in the coolant full-time, whether the unit is ever plugged in or not. When the block heater is plugged in, the element begins to heat the coolant. Since warm coolant rises, this creates some movement of the coolant to warm the whole block/head.

Found installation instructions here: http://www.jayhondaaccessories.com/Accessory%20Installation/2007/Fit/Engine%20Block%20Heater.pdf

They have to drain the coolant out of the radiator for installation. They then, obviously, refill the system with recommended coolant after the block heater is installed. Quote "Follow the instructions described in the service manual to fill and bleed the cooling system. Check the coolant reservoir for correct level and check the cooling system for signs of leakage. Repair as necessary."

Evidently what happened in my case was that the coolant was not properly refilled, hence impacting my car's heating system. Makes sense NOW and M4psycho hit the nail on the head when he offered: "It looks like this is a common issue if there is air in your coolant system/not enough coolant fluid. This prevents good circulation while you're idling 'cause either air is blocking the way or there's not enough fluid to flow through the heater core (when you're idling). This isn't a problem when you're moving because everything is forced through quite nicely. To remedy this you can bleed out the cooling line while topping it off while the car is idling. (Open the rad cap, idle the car for 5-10 minutes and keep topping up the rad fluid until it doesn't drop anymore)."

txmatt offered: "Apparently they thought it was somehow related to the coolant/cooling system since they attempted to bleed it and added antifreeze (a/f). I'm guessing the block heater heats the coolant in the block and they likely drained all or part of the coolant when they originally installed it and didn't get the system fully bled when they refilled the coolant/antifreeze."

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So have you tried your heater since?
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:45 PM
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So have you tried your heater since?
It's been freakishly HOT around here (16 Celcius today compared to 2 on Monday) so I won't know for sure if the heater is working properly until we get back down to normal...
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:52 PM
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You should come on by to Edmonton and visit your brother with your car....it's consistently been sitting around 0ish in the mornings
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:55 PM
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He likes to drive up to Sudbury from Edmonton so I know it's a 3 days drive! No thanks. I'm already at 4000 km after 6 weeks! Yikes. Anyhow, since air currents move from West to East over Canada, we get Edmonton weather in a few days. I actually WANT it to cool down so I can test my heater! It's 16 here right now! Crazy.

Thanks again for your explanation of my heating issue! Bang on...

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You should come on by to Edmonton and visit your brother with your car....it's consistently been sitting around 0ish in the mornings
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FitCanada_Girl
He likes to drive up to Sudbury from Edmonton so I know it's a 3 days drive! No thanks. I'm already at 4000 km after 6 weeks! Yikes. Anyhow, since air currents move from West to East over Canada, we get Edmonton weather in a few days. I actually WANT it to cool down so I can test my heater! It's 16 here right now! Crazy.

Thanks again for your explanation of my heating issue! Bang on...
No prob. 16 degrees eh...man I wish we still had that kind of weather here. I don't get my car starter installed until the 15th :X
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:12 PM
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Oh, I AGREE! How can any car manufacturer think that a block heater is optional in places that typically get -20s and -30s in the winter? Ridiculous but this is my second new car purchase and both times, here in Northeastern Ontario, I've had to pay extra for a block heater.

Originally Posted by kamakurakid
Real laugh having a block heater as an option, at least in Canada and the northern/mountain area of the USA.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FitCanada_Girl
He likes to drive up to Sudbury from Edmonton so I know it's a 3 days drive! No thanks. I'm already at 4000 km after 6 weeks! Yikes. Anyhow, since air currents move from West to East over Canada, we get Edmonton weather in a few days. I actually WANT it to cool down so I can test my heater! It's 16 here right now! Crazy.

Thanks again for your explanation of my heating issue! Bang on...
Geez, wasn't it just a couple of days ago where you were praying for 16? Be careful what you ask for. You might as well ask for your Blue Dot not to fall off a day after Christmas.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:16 PM
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Oh oh...is it the OEM one? Took 5 days for my installation, not to freak you out or anything. First one just wouldn't work so they ran (apparently) tons of diagnoses then finally figured out that it was defective! New one took a few days to come in so I went 5 days without my brand new car. Ok, got an '09 Fit LX to drive in the meantime, but still....

Oh and the "auto defrost" function does NOT work in our cars, if you are getting the OEM starter. Would have been nice to activate the starter and have the rear windshield/side mirror defrost go off, but no go...

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No prob. 16 degrees eh...man I wish we still had that kind of weather here. I don't get my car starter installed until the 15th :X
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FitCanada_Girl
Oh, I AGREE! How can any car manufacturer think that a block heater is optional in places that typically get -20s and -30s in the winter? Ridiculous but this is my second new car purchase and both times, here in Northeastern Ontario, I've had to pay extra for a block heater.
Honda dealers here in Alberta will install a block heater and charge you for it, whether you want it or not. They won't sell a car unless a block heater installed.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
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Really? Well that's just plain wrong (the installing it without asking then charging). It should be included with the purchase price in Canada, just like how we get the low windshield washer fluid warning light "free". Some things we Canadians just can't do without in a car...


Originally Posted by FiveFreshFish
Honda dealers here in Alberta will install a block heater and charge you for it, whether you want it or not. They won't sell a car unless a block heater installed.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FitCanada_Girl
Oh oh...is it the OEM one? Took 5 days for my installation, not to freak you out or anything. First one just wouldn't work so they ran (apparently) tons of diagnoses then finally figured out that it was defective! New one took a few days to come in so I went 5 days without my brand new car. Ok, got an '09 Fit LX to drive in the meantime, but still....

Oh and the "auto defrost" function does NOT work in our cars, if you are getting the OEM starter. Would have been nice to activate the starter and have the rear windshield/side mirror defrost go off, but no go...
Nah not going OEM, too expensive...well the dealership actually contracts out to a local company and they install the Compustar Pro, and apparently they do a good job. But I went to another garage in town and they're going to charge me 600 cash for the Compustar Pro (top of the line one), INCLUDING ALARM (the dealership deal of 715 wasn't including the alarm). And they said that it's a 4 hr install so it should be okay


Another thing, all the Honda dealerships install block heaters on all their cars here, and is included in the cost I believe. And it was exactly for that reason: it's cold here, there's no point selling a car without a block heater. Though to be honest I'd rather it be an option 'cause then I could just buy the part and have a friend install it for me, which would cost me <$100 bucks, whereas the installed cost from Honda is nearly 200 bucks....huge rip off.
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:22 PM
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Don't even joke about my blue dot Mister! Are you still at 13 rep? Obviously a tad cursed after the Kinko's mishap. Focus on something else aside from my blue dot ok? You're making me nervous...

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Geez, wasn't it just a couple of days ago where you were praying for 16? Be careful what you ask for. You might as well ask for your Blue Dot not to fall off a day after Christmas.
 


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