Steering Wheel Audio Controls Installed (sorry, no pictures)
#1
Steering Wheel Audio Controls Installed (sorry, no pictures)
2009 Fit Sport, non-nav.
1. I purchased factory steering wheel audio control and cruise control switches, p/n 36770-TK6-A41, (about $115) and installed in steering wheel (steering wheel removal required) ... this entailed removing the cruise control switch and replaced with combined cruise control/audio control switches.
2. The new switches have wires all in same locations and colors as old cruise control switch wires, except there are two new wires for the audio controls (and hands free telephone, which I ignored).
3. The audio control buttons didn't work just by plugging in new switch ...
3. I removed the cable reel and found that the two new wires from the audio controls do in fact pass through the cable reel to pins on the back of the cable reel (pins 3 and 4; sorry, no pictures).
4. I removed and looked at the radio and found that the 24 pin connector into the radio does have all 24 pins, none were missing, so I was optimistic the remote audio control feature was present
5. I somehow deduced that Pins 5 and 16 on radio harness are for the audio remote wires.
6. I dug into my parts bin, and found two pins that were a match for the cable reel connector (actually, I cannibalized pins from old cruise control switch that I'd removed), and I found two pins that matched the audio head unit connector (mine were from a late model honda CR-V connector).
7. I fabricated a harness between cable reel and head unit (2 wires)...and plugged the pins into the existing harnesses
8. Steering wheel audio controls work!
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1. I purchased factory steering wheel audio control and cruise control switches, p/n 36770-TK6-A41, (about $115) and installed in steering wheel (steering wheel removal required) ... this entailed removing the cruise control switch and replaced with combined cruise control/audio control switches.
2. The new switches have wires all in same locations and colors as old cruise control switch wires, except there are two new wires for the audio controls (and hands free telephone, which I ignored).
3. The audio control buttons didn't work just by plugging in new switch ...
3. I removed the cable reel and found that the two new wires from the audio controls do in fact pass through the cable reel to pins on the back of the cable reel (pins 3 and 4; sorry, no pictures).
4. I removed and looked at the radio and found that the 24 pin connector into the radio does have all 24 pins, none were missing, so I was optimistic the remote audio control feature was present
5. I somehow deduced that Pins 5 and 16 on radio harness are for the audio remote wires.
6. I dug into my parts bin, and found two pins that were a match for the cable reel connector (actually, I cannibalized pins from old cruise control switch that I'd removed), and I found two pins that matched the audio head unit connector (mine were from a late model honda CR-V connector).
7. I fabricated a harness between cable reel and head unit (2 wires)...and plugged the pins into the existing harnesses
8. Steering wheel audio controls work!
ET
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#4
Here's where I'm unclear - are you tapping into wires 5/16 from the head unit? You said the plug was full, so I'm assuming those wires are there and they go to something. Trying to figure out why you needed two pins for the radio side of the harness, and where you put them - I understand the cable reel side of the newly made harness...
Seems pretty straightforward - essentially everything is 'plug and play' except for two wires running from the wheel ribbon to the radio, but I'd like to see pics. I also wonder if the steering wheel controls from other models (like the Si) would work?
#5
Good work Clunker! Thanks for sharing the info!
Sorry if I should have put in one of the other threads.
I guessing he figured out the pin 5 and 16 from https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...-non-navi.html
or page 23-12 of the manual.
I assume what he saw was that all 24 pins exist in the radio side of the connector.
I have a 2009 Fit base, so I looked up part numbers for the cable reel. It connects the wires in the moving wheel to the stationary column.
09 Fit Navi 77900-TA0-C21
09 Fit Sport 77900-TK6-A01
09 Fit Base 77900-TK6-A11
I'm hoping that my base cable reel has all the wires like the sport did.
Now I'm wondering if the Gauge Control Module is the same part with different part number for the base and sport. It controls cruise control and base doesn't come with cruise.
Sorry if I should have put in one of the other threads.
I guessing he figured out the pin 5 and 16 from https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...-non-navi.html
or page 23-12 of the manual.
I assume what he saw was that all 24 pins exist in the radio side of the connector.
I have a 2009 Fit base, so I looked up part numbers for the cable reel. It connects the wires in the moving wheel to the stationary column.
09 Fit Navi 77900-TA0-C21
09 Fit Sport 77900-TK6-A01
09 Fit Base 77900-TK6-A11
I'm hoping that my base cable reel has all the wires like the sport did.
Now I'm wondering if the Gauge Control Module is the same part with different part number for the base and sport. It controls cruise control and base doesn't come with cruise.
Last edited by goredox; 09-11-2009 at 12:42 AM.
#6
Good work Clunker! Thanks for sharing the info!
Sorry if I should have put in one of the other threads.
I guessing he figured out the pin 5 and 16 from https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...-non-navi.html
or page 23-12 of the manual.
I assume what he saw was that all 24 pins exist in the radio side of the connector.
I have a 2009 Fit base, so I looked up part numbers for the cable reel. It connects the wires in the moving wheel to the stationary column.
09 Fit Navi 77900-TA0-C21
09 Fit Sport 77900-TK6-A01
09 Fit Base 77900-TK6-A11
I'm hoping that my base cable reel has all the wires like the sport did.
Now I'm wondering if the Gauge Control Module is the same part with different part number for the base and sport. It controls cruise control and base doesn't come with cruise.
Sorry if I should have put in one of the other threads.
I guessing he figured out the pin 5 and 16 from https://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-...-non-navi.html
or page 23-12 of the manual.
I assume what he saw was that all 24 pins exist in the radio side of the connector.
I have a 2009 Fit base, so I looked up part numbers for the cable reel. It connects the wires in the moving wheel to the stationary column.
09 Fit Navi 77900-TA0-C21
09 Fit Sport 77900-TK6-A01
09 Fit Base 77900-TK6-A11
I'm hoping that my base cable reel has all the wires like the sport did.
Now I'm wondering if the Gauge Control Module is the same part with different part number for the base and sport. It controls cruise control and base doesn't come with cruise.
#7
My pin numbers are from an electronic service manual...they don't match Steering Wheel Audio Controls POSSIBLE on non-navi! because his "A, B, C, & D" pins are my pins 12, 1, 24, & 13. The colors match up with his, though.
Audio Connector A
1 red ?
2 x
3 blu k-line
4 grn scty
5 wht audio remote
6 orn rr r-
7 blu rr r+
8 x
9 x
10 brn rr l-
11 gry rr l+
12 blk grd
13 gry ill+
14 orn acc
15 blu vss
16 pnk remote
17 x
18 red fr r-
19 brn fr r+
20 x
21 x
22 lt grn fr l-
23 lt blu fr l+
24 pnk b+
[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/DEBRAA%7E1.RED/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/IMG]
Audio Connector A
1 red ?
2 x
3 blu k-line
4 grn scty
5 wht audio remote
6 orn rr r-
7 blu rr r+
8 x
9 x
10 brn rr l-
11 gry rr l+
12 blk grd
13 gry ill+
14 orn acc
15 blu vss
16 pnk remote
17 x
18 red fr r-
19 brn fr r+
20 x
21 x
22 lt grn fr l-
23 lt blu fr l+
24 pnk b+
[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/DEBRAA%7E1.RED/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/IMG]
#8
The two wires that are needed between the steering wheel and the audio unit do not already exist (those are the ones I had to install them). But, the cable reel has 20 pins on both the front side and the back side. My original steering wheel had leads for the horn, paddle shifters, cruise control, and illumination (airbag is a separate connector). When I installed the audio buttons, it had connections to two more of the pins on the front (the wires to these pins were grn/red and brn). I used an ohmmeter to find that these pins had continuity to two pins on the back side of the cable reel. However, the harness that plugged into the back side of the cable reel did not have wires at those pin locations. Nor did the harness that plugged into the back of the radio have wires that would have connected to the audio remote control pins. I made a two wire harness that went into the back side of the cable reel and into the main harness of the radio.
The cable reel is what Honda calls it, some other people call it the clock spring. It's a donut shaped spool that lets electrical connections pass through the steering wheel as it turns, without breaking the wires as they wind around.
The cable reel is what Honda calls it, some other people call it the clock spring. It's a donut shaped spool that lets electrical connections pass through the steering wheel as it turns, without breaking the wires as they wind around.
#9
The cable reel looks like a spool of computer ribbon (kinda), and it feeds various electrical items in the steering wheel. I made the mistake of uncoiling one by mistake on my Sti... not fun.
Here's where I'm unclear - are you tapping into wires 5/16 from the head unit? You said the plug was full, so I'm assuming those wires are there and they go to something. Trying to figure out why you needed two pins for the radio side of the harness, and where you put them - I understand the cable reel side of the newly made harness...
Seems pretty straightforward - essentially everything is 'plug and play' except for two wires running from the wheel ribbon to the radio, but I'd like to see pics. I also wonder if the steering wheel controls from other models (like the Si) would work?
Here's where I'm unclear - are you tapping into wires 5/16 from the head unit? You said the plug was full, so I'm assuming those wires are there and they go to something. Trying to figure out why you needed two pins for the radio side of the harness, and where you put them - I understand the cable reel side of the newly made harness...
Seems pretty straightforward - essentially everything is 'plug and play' except for two wires running from the wheel ribbon to the radio, but I'd like to see pics. I also wonder if the steering wheel controls from other models (like the Si) would work?
Last edited by Clunker; 09-11-2009 at 10:24 PM.
#10
2009 Fit Sport, non-nav.
1. I purchased factory steering wheel audio control and cruise control switches, p/n 36770-TK6-A41, (about $115) and installed in steering wheel (steering wheel removal required) ... this entailed removing the cruise control switch and replaced with combined cruise control/audio control switches.
2. The new switches have wires all in same locations and colors as old cruise control switch wires, except there are two new wires for the audio controls (and hands free telephone, which I ignored).
3. The audio control buttons didn't work just by plugging in new switch ...
3. I removed the cable reel and found that the two new wires from the audio controls do in fact pass through the cable reel to pins on the back of the cable reel (pins 3 and 4; sorry, no pictures).
4. I removed and looked at the radio and found that the 24 pin connector into the radio does have all 24 pins, none were missing, so I was optimistic the remote audio control feature was present
5. I somehow deduced that Pins 5 and 16 on radio harness are for the audio remote wires.
6. I dug into my parts bin, and found two pins that were a match for the cable reel connector (actually, I cannibalized pins from old cruise control switch that I'd removed), and I found two pins that matched the audio head unit connector (mine were from a late model honda CR-V connector).
7. I fabricated a harness between cable reel and head unit (2 wires)...and plugged the pins into the existing harnesses
8. Steering wheel audio controls work!
ET
1. I purchased factory steering wheel audio control and cruise control switches, p/n 36770-TK6-A41, (about $115) and installed in steering wheel (steering wheel removal required) ... this entailed removing the cruise control switch and replaced with combined cruise control/audio control switches.
2. The new switches have wires all in same locations and colors as old cruise control switch wires, except there are two new wires for the audio controls (and hands free telephone, which I ignored).
3. The audio control buttons didn't work just by plugging in new switch ...
3. I removed the cable reel and found that the two new wires from the audio controls do in fact pass through the cable reel to pins on the back of the cable reel (pins 3 and 4; sorry, no pictures).
4. I removed and looked at the radio and found that the 24 pin connector into the radio does have all 24 pins, none were missing, so I was optimistic the remote audio control feature was present
5. I somehow deduced that Pins 5 and 16 on radio harness are for the audio remote wires.
6. I dug into my parts bin, and found two pins that were a match for the cable reel connector (actually, I cannibalized pins from old cruise control switch that I'd removed), and I found two pins that matched the audio head unit connector (mine were from a late model honda CR-V connector).
7. I fabricated a harness between cable reel and head unit (2 wires)...and plugged the pins into the existing harnesses
8. Steering wheel audio controls work!
ET
#11
Hi,
im not exactly sure how you did yours, but this is how my steering wheel looks like:
did you remove the center nut, and removed the steering altogether? The manual says that I need a commercially available steering wheel puller..
I can see the harness down there, but not sure how I am going to attach the steering controls there. If I buy the part listed on this thread, will I get some kind of extra cables?
im not exactly sure how you did yours, but this is how my steering wheel looks like:
did you remove the center nut, and removed the steering altogether? The manual says that I need a commercially available steering wheel puller..
I can see the harness down there, but not sure how I am going to attach the steering controls there. If I buy the part listed on this thread, will I get some kind of extra cables?
#13
Hi,
im not exactly sure how you did yours, but this is how my steering wheel looks like:
did you remove the center nut, and removed the steering altogether? The manual says that I need a commercially available steering wheel puller..
I can see the harness down there, but not sure how I am going to attach the steering controls there. If I buy the part listed on this thread, will I get some kind of extra cables?
im not exactly sure how you did yours, but this is how my steering wheel looks like:
did you remove the center nut, and removed the steering altogether? The manual says that I need a commercially available steering wheel puller..
I can see the harness down there, but not sure how I am going to attach the steering controls there. If I buy the part listed on this thread, will I get some kind of extra cables?
You could make one. All you need is a thick piece of steel with a central threaded hole ( or a nut welded underneath) and two holes spaced to match the holes in the steering wheel. Thread sizes will depend on what bolts/nuts you have available. I suggest 10mm (5/16") or bigger for the central one. Keep them as short as possible to stop them bending. Remember that the holes in the steering wheel are metric but the central hole in your puller doesn't have to be.
I can see two bolt holes in your pics either side of the column nut that look likely candidates for the puller. Just be sure they are a part of the hub and sturdy enough to do the job.
If you know what you are doing, that should be enough for you to figure it out. If not, just buy one.
Oh, and you seem to have already removed the airbag, and you were oviously careful enough not to set it off be cause you wrote the above
#14
to marche: I removed the center nut, and removed the steering wheel without the need for a puller. I sort of wiggled it and it came loose without great effort. You do have to remove the steering wheel, and then disassemble the front trim and rear cover to remove the blank piece on the left side, and the cruise control switch on the right side. The new switch harness (mine was p/n 36770-TK6-A41, automatic/sport) is a combination switch, with the audio controls and the cruise controls all in one harness. They plug right into the cable reel. However, look at the harness connector that plugs into cable reel. You will see that the new one has more wires and pins, as it has wires for everything the old switch harness had, plus more wires from the audio switches (and also another connector, I think it's for a bluetooth option). Therefore, the real difficulty was getting wires connected from the audio control switches to the radio. I had to fabricate that two-wire harness, to connect between the back of the cable reel and the back of the radio, as mentioned in my first post. You do not get that part with the part from Honda, you have to make and install it yourself.
#15
hi clunker, do you think you can take a picture of what it looks like now? I cant find a picture of that combined audio cruise control assembly anywhere! also, does the cruise control work? Mine doesnt have cruise control by default, but I think I need another part for that to work....
#16
if you need pins for the harness i found this online http://www.installer.com/item/displa...php?it=71-1729 this might help a bit in your endeavors for audio controls.
would you please make a DYI once you complete your install!
would you please make a DYI once you complete your install!
Last edited by JJIN; 01-07-2010 at 12:54 AM.
#19
to marche: I removed the center nut, and removed the steering wheel without the need for a puller. I sort of wiggled it and it came loose without great effort. You do have to remove the steering wheel, and then disassemble the front trim and rear cover to remove the blank piece on the left side, and the cruise control switch on the right side. The new switch harness (mine was p/n 36770-TK6-A41, automatic/sport) is a combination switch, with the audio controls and the cruise controls all in one harness. They plug right into the cable reel. However, look at the harness connector that plugs into cable reel. You will see that the new one has more wires and pins, as it has wires for everything the old switch harness had, plus more wires from the audio switches (and also another connector, I think it's for a bluetooth option). Therefore, the real difficulty was getting wires connected from the audio control switches to the radio. I had to fabricate that two-wire harness, to connect between the back of the cable reel and the back of the radio, as mentioned in my first post. You do not get that part with the part from Honda, you have to make and install it yourself.
I recently bought the 36770-TK6-A41 and hooked it up in my sport. I took to local shop to do the wiring and they had me go out and get this module connector PACC for $69.99. They were able to get everything to work except for the mode button. The way I read most of these posts was it just took a couple wires and not this module. If it only needed the wires maybe I need to take it back with the wiring instructions from here so they can get the mode button to work. Any ideas ?