sway bar question
#22
yes the fit will snap oversteer but thats due to the extremely soft shocks from factory that allow the car to squat and transfer the weight nasty. the progress RSB will help for track and with a good spring shock combo you have an amazing handling fit. also 1 degree of negative camber in the front tires works like a charm when auto crossing.
#23
Again your not quoting any references. Let's separate fact from opinion.
My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.
I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.
My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.
I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.
#24
Again your not quoting any references. Let's separate fact from opinion.
My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.
I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.
My car handles great in corners now, but its starting to feel like a drift car as the rear doesn't match the front. The rear only has a J's rear strut bar & J's c-pillar bar.
I'm going to add possibly a Progress rear sway bar or Carbing rear frame brace. I have yet to install coilovers or sport struts/springs.
our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.
#25
our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.
Thanks
#26
our comp notebooks are the basis for statements; we tried different things on numerous cars and invariably the issue always boiled down to getting springs right and balancing with sway bars. If you don't believe what I say why would you believe my notebooks? I suggest you go visit some chassis engineers for good NASCAR teams or IMSA or Indy cars and see what they say. Stopwatches are the judges, not what you feel.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.
Here's another choice: write Grassrootsmotorsports or their bulletin boards and ask them, too.
if u want to ride the roller coaster dont ask the merry go round ppl how the ride is
imsa? what r u like 80 years old? it must bring back memories of "the good ol days" watching the the imsa races taped on the beta max
u should put positive camber like those 1920's racers lmfao
mahout is right though, even if his sources r seriously outdated but you shouldn't take my word for it!!!
do your own homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by theFITMASTER; 11-09-2009 at 06:27 PM.
#27
yes the fit will snap oversteer but thats due to the extremely soft shocks from factory that allow the car to squat and transfer the weight nasty. the progress RSB will help for track and with a good spring shock combo you have an amazing handling fit. also 1 degree of negative camber in the front tires works like a charm when auto crossing.
#28
Yes you will see improved handling because increased oversteer counters much of the understeer. ultimate cornering limits are slightly reduced but unlessyou're on track it isn't a factor.
#29
Agree with the poster who suggested adding some negative camber to the front. I did this weekend, about -0.7* with camber bolts, and it helps a lot. I knew it would. Also agree that adding the rear sway on a stock suspension will help reduce understeer and improve feel. Considering this too
#30
Agree with the poster who suggested adding some negative camber to the front. I did this weekend, about -0.7* with camber bolts, and it helps a lot. I knew it would. Also agree that adding the rear sway on a stock suspension will help reduce understeer and improve feel. Considering this too
#31
Also agree that adding the rear sway on a stock suspension will help reduce understeer and improve feel. Considering this too[/QUOTE]
You would be much better off getting some stiffer rear shocks instead of a rear sway bar.... The Fit doesn't have a problem with under steer but does with over steer... Adding a rear sway bar is going to have your car sliding at both ends and will make the over steer even more pronounced.
You would be much better off getting some stiffer rear shocks instead of a rear sway bar.... The Fit doesn't have a problem with under steer but does with over steer... Adding a rear sway bar is going to have your car sliding at both ends and will make the over steer even more pronounced.
#33
No I wasn't kidding but I definitely got it backwards for sure....The second sentence isn't wrong though, of course you can spend a ton of money for sticky fast wearing ultra high performance tires to compensate for the the additional under steer created by using an anti sway bar.
#34
No I wasn't kidding but I definitely got it backwards for sure....The second sentence isn't wrong though, of course you can spend a ton of money for sticky fast wearing ultra high performance tires to compensate for the the additional under steer created by using an anti sway bar.
#35
Okay, I guess I'll get in on this discussion. My understanding is neither oversteer or understeer is desirable but that understeer is easier to deal with for a novice driver so most cars will tend to understeer more than oversteer.
On hard corners in some of those Malibu canyons I find myself (snap?) oversteering as my rear tires lose traction over potholes and the like. If the road is in good shape I almost never oversteer, it tends to understeer instead if anything.
Seems to me if I added a RSB I would feel more solid handling on corners and less body roll, up to the point when the tires really do lose traction and you oversteer anyway. With that in mind, on curves where I'm oversteering because of bad road quality and potholes, would the RSB actually make that situation more dangerous?
Seems like at that moment the car would need that outside rear wheel hard on the ground more than it would need both rears to be down. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
On hard corners in some of those Malibu canyons I find myself (snap?) oversteering as my rear tires lose traction over potholes and the like. If the road is in good shape I almost never oversteer, it tends to understeer instead if anything.
Seems to me if I added a RSB I would feel more solid handling on corners and less body roll, up to the point when the tires really do lose traction and you oversteer anyway. With that in mind, on curves where I'm oversteering because of bad road quality and potholes, would the RSB actually make that situation more dangerous?
Seems like at that moment the car would need that outside rear wheel hard on the ground more than it would need both rears to be down. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
#36
No I wasn't kidding but I definitely got it backwards for sure....The second sentence isn't wrong though, of course you can spend a ton of money for sticky fast wearing ultra high performance tires to compensate for the the additional under steer created by using an anti sway bar.
You were also correct that either stiffer rear springs or shocks would help to decrease understeer though you'd want to do the fronts as well to keep decent balance in damping. One of the biggest problems with this car is the ultra soft bushings which allow the suspension to squirm around at its attachment points and thereby decreases precision. Irritates the crap out of me.
#37
Okay, I guess I'll get in on this discussion. My understanding is neither oversteer or understeer is desirable but that understeer is easier to deal with for a novice driver so most cars will tend to understeer more than oversteer.
On hard corners in some of those Malibu canyons I find myself (snap?) oversteering as my rear tires lose traction over potholes and the like. If the road is in good shape I almost never oversteer, it tends to understeer instead if anything.
Seems to me if I added a RSB I would feel more solid handling on corners and less body roll, up to the point when the tires really do lose traction and you oversteer anyway. With that in mind, on curves where I'm oversteering because of bad road quality and potholes, would the RSB actually make that situation more dangerous?
Seems like at that moment the car would need that outside rear wheel hard on the ground more than it would need both rears to be down. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
On hard corners in some of those Malibu canyons I find myself (snap?) oversteering as my rear tires lose traction over potholes and the like. If the road is in good shape I almost never oversteer, it tends to understeer instead if anything.
Seems to me if I added a RSB I would feel more solid handling on corners and less body roll, up to the point when the tires really do lose traction and you oversteer anyway. With that in mind, on curves where I'm oversteering because of bad road quality and potholes, would the RSB actually make that situation more dangerous?
Seems like at that moment the car would need that outside rear wheel hard on the ground more than it would need both rears to be down. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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