motor swaps
#42
Hey PhilipJDM, I wasn't trying to come off as a a-hole, I just slipped into my "father mode".
I think that a swap would be a very good project, and on this site you will find many people who know their stuff or know where to find the stuff. (and a few who don't) If you do decide to do the swap please keep us updated.
And who knows, once you get the stock version you may decide that (paraphrasing Jay Lenno) driving a slow car quickly is more fun that driving a fast car fast" or something like that. Do a you tube search for jay and Honda and you will find the video with the quote.
I think that a swap would be a very good project, and on this site you will find many people who know their stuff or know where to find the stuff. (and a few who don't) If you do decide to do the swap please keep us updated.
And who knows, once you get the stock version you may decide that (paraphrasing Jay Lenno) driving a slow car quickly is more fun that driving a fast car fast" or something like that. Do a you tube search for jay and Honda and you will find the video with the quote.
#43
its such a pain in the ass to get an engine bar'd here in cali. the requirements are:
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.
if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.
if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.
are you talking about a spoon K20A or a spoon L15?
also - couldn't you just order a full set of the spoon internals and put them in a USDM block?
#44
its kind of deflating that for all the parts ive bought for my L15, i could have bought a new engine with more power than my L has now. keep an eye out for my for sale thread with lots of performance parts
#45
ive been talking with opak about importing a spoon K20A but i found a killer deal on a K20Z3 and tranny today and i might just go with that because then i could get my engine BAR'd and have it completely street legal in cali. also, its loads cheaper.
its kind of deflating that for all the parts ive bought for my L15, i could have bought a new engine with more power than my L has now. keep an eye out for my for sale thread with lots of performance parts
its kind of deflating that for all the parts ive bought for my L15, i could have bought a new engine with more power than my L has now. keep an eye out for my for sale thread with lots of performance parts
#46
best part of the K swap
here is more on the swap with pics
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0705.../photo_16.html
here is more on the swap with pics
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0705.../photo_16.html
#47
its such a pain in the ass to get an engine bar'd here in cali. the requirements are:
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.
if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.
if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.
#51
so what is the differance between the k20a and the z1?
i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....
what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?
i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....
what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?
i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
#52
k20z1 is found in 2005-2006 Acura RSX-S
k20A has many variations but all of which are exclusive to Type-R models
K20A has the most superior head flow.. it's very different from the rest K
Type-R engines are a lot more $ and harder to find.. and not good for FI builds
k20A has many variations but all of which are exclusive to Type-R models
K20A has the most superior head flow.. it's very different from the rest K
Type-R engines are a lot more $ and harder to find.. and not good for FI builds
#53
so what is the differance between the k20a and the z1?
i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....
what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?
i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....
what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?
i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
the K20z3 seems like a pretty badass engine. kind of a frankenstein of all the K series.
also, i have found the end all be all of "how to swap a K into your fit"
http://www.hasport.com/tech/installs/GDK20-24.pdf
doesnt seem that hard.
#54
i forget the actual price they wanted to charge me, but it was alot less than i thought it was going to be for a brand new engine.
the K20z3 seems like a pretty badass engine. kind of a frankenstein of all the K series.
also, i have found the end all be all of "how to swap a K into your fit"
http://www.hasport.com/tech/installs/GDK20-24.pdf
doesnt seem that hard.
the K20z3 seems like a pretty badass engine. kind of a frankenstein of all the K series.
also, i have found the end all be all of "how to swap a K into your fit"
http://www.hasport.com/tech/installs/GDK20-24.pdf
doesnt seem that hard.
#55
I thought a company made an add on AC bracket though also...
#56
A/C is definitely available now for the K swap. The K20Z3 is a heck of an engine. The only reason the horsepower is a bit lower than the Type S is coz the Z3 has these balance shafts in the engine causing it to have more moving mass wich equalls to less power. If you have ever put your foot down on the Z3 the power and the sound is bad a$$. That was gonna be my choice but I like to be different so Im building a K24 w/ Z3 head & some secret little nik naks. Good Luck to you
#57
K20 is too expensive imo.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
#58
K20 is too expensive imo.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
thats a stupid statement. no one makes mounts or axles for a B swap. why? because its old technology. keep it current. a b swap and a k swap would end up costing the same amount after all is said and done and you would end up with alot stronger of an engine with the K.
#59
thats a stupid statement. no one makes mounts or axles for a B swap. why? because its old technology. keep it current. a b swap and a k swap would end up costing the same amount after all is said and done and you would end up with alot stronger of an engine with the K.
n in the states we can't really do that...legally.
#60
K20 is too expensive imo.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.
I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.
Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
Hey REV there is no denying the B series is a heck of a motor & it made way for alot of the ways we look at tuning today. But Honda changed their complete engine configuration so now the engine sits completely opposite of the B series. So to stick the B series in there is gonna be alot of work & fabrication & money. But hey if you wanna try it, GOOD LUCK
PS 350-500 hp out of the B16 is not cheap
-Upgraded Fuel pump - Axles to hold that power - At least stage 3 Clutch assy. - Pistons - Cylinder sleeves (if ur doing high boost) -cylinder brace - Port & polish head - Deck the head - upgraded valves, springs, & titanium retainers -Balance the crank (if ur gonna do high revs) -Front traction bars -the turbo kit - V-tec controller - ecu modifications - Intake - Injectors ( if not engine will lean itself to death) -ETC ETC ETC just in the machine shop labor and the Dyno machine rental to tune it & right there u got about 1000 bucks
Last edited by Necos07; 08-04-2009 at 12:15 AM.
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