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Old 07-16-2009, 04:08 PM
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"Kids these days! When I was a kid I had to ..."
I'm 26 and I say that stuff about my generation let alone this generation haha
 
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Hey PhilipJDM, I wasn't trying to come off as a a-hole, I just slipped into my "father mode".

I think that a swap would be a very good project, and on this site you will find many people who know their stuff or know where to find the stuff. (and a few who don't) If you do decide to do the swap please keep us updated.

And who knows, once you get the stock version you may decide that (paraphrasing Jay Lenno) driving a slow car quickly is more fun that driving a fast car fast" or something like that. Do a you tube search for jay and Honda and you will find the video with the quote.
 
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez
its such a pain in the ass to get an engine bar'd here in cali. the requirements are:
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.

if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.

are you talking about a spoon K20A or a spoon L15?

also - couldn't you just order a full set of the spoon internals and put them in a USDM block?
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tofuman
are you talking about a spoon K20A or a spoon L15?

also - couldn't you just order a full set of the spoon internals and put them in a USDM block?
ive been talking with opak about importing a spoon K20A but i found a killer deal on a K20Z3 and tranny today and i might just go with that because then i could get my engine BAR'd and have it completely street legal in cali. also, its loads cheaper.

its kind of deflating that for all the parts ive bought for my L15, i could have bought a new engine with more power than my L has now. keep an eye out for my for sale thread with lots of performance parts
 
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez
ive been talking with opak about importing a spoon K20A but i found a killer deal on a K20Z3 and tranny today and i might just go with that because then i could get my engine BAR'd and have it completely street legal in cali. also, its loads cheaper.

its kind of deflating that for all the parts ive bought for my L15, i could have bought a new engine with more power than my L has now. keep an eye out for my for sale thread with lots of performance parts
yo, I want dibs on your intake manifold!
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:04 PM
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best part of the K swap

here is more on the swap with pics
http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0705.../photo_16.html
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez
its such a pain in the ass to get an engine bar'd here in cali. the requirements are:
-engine has to be same year, or newer than the model year
-has to come from the same country of the intended market of the car
-has to pass smog and visual inspection
-and an assload of paperwork has to be done.

if i got a spoon engine, they would meet none of these requirements.
register it in utah. nobody cares up here.
 
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^^^ thats alot of wires..
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:05 PM
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^^^ thats alot of wires..

you should click the link and look at all the stuff that needs to be done.
pretty crazy. no A/C sucks
 
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:03 PM
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No one mentioned the K20Z1 out of the RSX Type S from 2005-2006 if your in a state that doesn't require smog.
 
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:42 AM
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so what is the differance between the k20a and the z1?

i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....

what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?

i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
 
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:56 AM
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k20z1 is found in 2005-2006 Acura RSX-S
k20A has many variations but all of which are exclusive to Type-R models

K20A has the most superior head flow.. it's very different from the rest K
Type-R engines are a lot more $ and harder to find.. and not good for FI builds
 
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kylerwho
so what is the differance between the k20a and the z1?

i have done a little research on k20a.org but not enough....

what was spoon going to charge you to import a motor kelso?

i chatted with them about doing a k20a head on a k24a2(i think) block but i would have been on a waiting list and not including time to ship it over seas..
i forget the actual price they wanted to charge me, but it was alot less than i thought it was going to be for a brand new engine.

the K20z3 seems like a pretty badass engine. kind of a frankenstein of all the K series.

also, i have found the end all be all of "how to swap a K into your fit"

http://www.hasport.com/tech/installs/GDK20-24.pdf

doesnt seem that hard.
 
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez
i forget the actual price they wanted to charge me, but it was alot less than i thought it was going to be for a brand new engine.

the K20z3 seems like a pretty badass engine. kind of a frankenstein of all the K series.

also, i have found the end all be all of "how to swap a K into your fit"

http://www.hasport.com/tech/installs/GDK20-24.pdf

doesnt seem that hard.
yeah....why would it be with that huge WARNING: THIS IS A COMPLICATED SWAP right before the instructions lol! maybe not for a shop, but for the average joe, this is def no (enter whatever b-series engine here) into an ek or eg.
 
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by redrumm
best part of the K swap

here is more on the swap with pics
Honda Fit Shifter Photo
lol, it used to be hard when hondata didn't provide a harness and reflash :/

I thought a company made an add on AC bracket though also...
 
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:08 PM
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A/C is definitely available now for the K swap. The K20Z3 is a heck of an engine. The only reason the horsepower is a bit lower than the Type S is coz the Z3 has these balance shafts in the engine causing it to have more moving mass wich equalls to less power. If you have ever put your foot down on the Z3 the power and the sound is bad a$$. That was gonna be my choice but I like to be different so Im building a K24 w/ Z3 head & some secret little nik naks. Good Luck to you
 
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:54 AM
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K20 is too expensive imo.

Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.

I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.

Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.
 
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by revzero
K20 is too expensive imo.

Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.

I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.

Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.

thats a stupid statement. no one makes mounts or axles for a B swap. why? because its old technology. keep it current. a b swap and a k swap would end up costing the same amount after all is said and done and you would end up with alot stronger of an engine with the K.
 
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kelsodeez
thats a stupid statement. no one makes mounts or axles for a B swap. why? because its old technology. keep it current. a b swap and a k swap would end up costing the same amount after all is said and done and you would end up with alot stronger of an engine with the K.
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n in the states we can't really do that...legally.
 
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Originally Posted by revzero
K20 is too expensive imo.

Go cheap and get a B-Series engine.

I'm in the middle of rebuilding a B16A2 engine with forged pistons etc... as well as turbo charging it... and putting it into my Jazz.

Going for a safe power limit of around 350bhp... though i know tuning a B-series, it easy to get to 500.

Hey REV there is no denying the B series is a heck of a motor & it made way for alot of the ways we look at tuning today. But Honda changed their complete engine configuration so now the engine sits completely opposite of the B series. So to stick the B series in there is gonna be alot of work & fabrication & money. But hey if you wanna try it, GOOD LUCK

PS 350-500 hp out of the B16 is not cheap

-Upgraded Fuel pump - Axles to hold that power - At least stage 3 Clutch assy. - Pistons - Cylinder sleeves (if ur doing high boost) -cylinder brace - Port & polish head - Deck the head - upgraded valves, springs, & titanium retainers -Balance the crank (if ur gonna do high revs) -Front traction bars -the turbo kit - V-tec controller - ecu modifications - Intake - Injectors ( if not engine will lean itself to death) -ETC ETC ETC just in the machine shop labor and the Dyno machine rental to tune it & right there u got about 1000 bucks
 

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